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  Michel, the guy is a very ecxperienced diver. I did a 240 foot wreck dive
with 
him and a 180 foot drift dvie with him in Lauderdale a few weeks ago - no 
problems. He has much more experience than me in cold waater , for example, and 
 other forms of diving. He was trained in cave diving by JJ some time ago, and 
in this case was not even cave diving, he was in the basin. All of the divers 
who pulled him out, you will notice, were in open water gear, he was the only 
one in doubles. 

  Michel, everyone wants to take a shot at us, no matter how much they have to 
fabricate to do it. Let them take a shot at ten grand at 280 - the bullseye is 
on my chest.

  I am in charge, I hold the permits, I call the shots, and I take the 
responsability - when any of these armchair quarterbacks can do that, they can 
talk. Right now, they can tripple this. I don't care.

   We can go into the Deep Caviong Team track record , or the intructional 
community track record, anytime the want to tango. I do not care , and I love
to 
fight. So far, my track record is perfect, and since I am taking all of the 
chances, they can tripple this.- G


On Wed, 07 Aug 96, mtherr1@PO*.mc*.ca* wrote:
>Thanks for your reply George.
>
>Not all questions are answered but I am sure that you are doing this incident 
>analysis on your side. 
>
>Other subscriber told me that the guy had very little experience for the dive 
>he was doing.  It seems that this guy was so foccussed on the tasks to 
>accomplished because he was task overloaded.  Every alert diver would notice 
>that the gauge on the tank you think you breathe does not move when time pass 
>(he tought he was breathing his stage).  That should trigger a verification of 
>what's going on.  
>
>I was told that the diver did not go to that depth, did not carry stages like 
>he did before and did not use a scooter before.  That seems like a lot of 
>learning in one dive.
>
>I think that divers are trying to learn too fast now.  They get in over their 
>head easilly.  Today, my reaction underwater is quite previsible because I 
>took the time to do what I do.  It took me two years (and many dives) to go 
>from 130 to 190 feet.  I took me time to go from one stage to two stages and 
>more time to go from to to three stages.  I practiced drills in different 
>situations and I got a few arrows in my back (ref. "We recognized an 
>experience person by the arrows in his back", Sheck Exley).  I think this is 
>the way to learn.  Apparently, the diver did not learn progressively like 
>that.
>
>As I said, there is something to learn out of each incident.  While training 
>guys to be support divers, their level of experience must be considered and 
>time to perform drills should be taken.  It should be emphasized that diver 
>safety is secondary to the goal to accomplish.  It should also be emphasized 
>that if someone feel he is overloaded with tasks (or another diver observe an 
>task overloaded buddy - this is quite easy to observe), the task will be 
>adjusted for the diver.
>
>For that incident, it seems that the primary factor was the inexperience of 
>the diver.
>
>> Michel, you keep thinking I am talking about you, just because you 
>> start the thread - not so. I know you are just curious as to what 
>> goes on, and I am happy to tell you . - G
>
>Yes, I started the thread and saw nobody else writting about the incident on 
>the lists, so I took that personally. Sorry.
>
>Anyway, thank you for the clarifications.
>
>Michel
>
>
>

George M. Irvine III
DIR WKPP
1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316
954-493-6655 FAX 6698
Email gmiiii@in*.co*

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