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From: <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:42:03 -0700
Subject: 2Re: Re[2]: WKPP - Results - Tripple This
To: mtherr1@PO*.mc*.ca*, jkg@cc*.ga*.ed* (Jim Greenlee),
     Anthony_Martinez@cc*.ss*.nm*.go*, cavers@ge*.co*,
     mtherr1@PO*.mc*.ca*
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*, freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*, techdiver@terra.net

  Michel, the guy has plenty of experience, much of it far more extensive than 
mine. I can not breath water, and neither can anyone else. What difference does 
it make? 

  I was just worried that JJ may have damaged his trigger finger or that the 
"victim" had breathed some of my deco gas - I would really have been pissed. As 
soon as I could revive him ( I had to shake him and slap him around), I ripped 
the oxygen regulator from his mouth and demanded to know how much of my gas he 
had sucked down. He assured me that he did the right thing, and breathed water 
instead.

  My next concern was that he would be late for dinner at Lucy's, so I called 
for an ambulance for JJ, and I went to the hospital and drew out the directions 
to Lucy Ho's in the emergency room for the victim. 

  Luckily, the victim found Lucy Ho's right at 7:00. The only lesson to be 
learned here is that when you have 250 cubic feet of gas on you, and a buddy , 
you are better off not breathing the water. 

  I used to be a lifeguard for a long time when I was in school. I actually had 
people drown on me in swimming pools, although I got them all back. I even had
a 
kid drown on me in the baby pool - got it back , too. 

  Don't want to drown? Stay out of the water. This is what I recommend for the 
entire cave-diving community. And, tripple this.- G 

On Wed, 07 Aug 96, mtherr1@PO*.mc*.ca* wrote:
>On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, jkg@cc*.ga*.ed* (Jim Greenlee) wrote:
>
>>Only four people know what happened on that dive - JJ, Anthony,
>>Dittner, and the victim. If "this guy" is not one of those people,
>>then his information is speculative at best. If you will not believe
>>the people who were actually there, then why do you trust information
>>from someone who was not?
>
>Why is everyone so nervous discussing the cause of the incident?  If false 
>information was included in my post, you just have to post better information. 
> This is how everyone learn.
>
>What seems to be questionned (by Anthony), is not 'what happened', but how 
>much experience the diver had.  You don't need to be on-site the day of the 
>incident to know about that. 
>
>Regarding the task loading, George himself mentionned it.  You just have to 
>match the task with the experience of the guy to find out if it makes sense.
>It's good to know that others on the list have first hand information.  That 
>would be nice if they would spend some time to answer all the questions that 
>were brought in.
>
>Michel
>
>

George M. Irvine III
DIR WKPP
1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316
954-493-6655 FAX 6698
Email gmiiii@in*.co*

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