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George, On Sun, 28 Jul 1996 gmiiii@in*.co* wrote: > Pete, those who die get autopsied, those who get "paradoxical gas embolism" > and live do not, but of those who live, and get tested, the incidence is of PFO > is overwhelming. George, where can I find those reports? And who are they compared with? If PFO exists in 30% of "normal" people then you would have to have about 100+ cases of paradoxic AGE, all with PFO, to be sure that the PFO and AGE were truly associated. > Pete, besides, you know I am always right, and if I am not it is becasue we > are not talking about the same thing. Speaking of which, why do you and I use AUL acrylic case lights, which klutzs like me manage to break before I can even get it in the water? Is Florida karst easier on molded acrylic than LA quakes? > My point is only that if one wants to play decompression diving, get > checked. What would you have honestly done, if when tested you were told you had a PFO, given up diving? > Most people are self-limiting because they are natural weenies. Does that read, when you get to adulthood you take more care? > but Pete, if we went to Las Vegas, > and you put a quarter in the slot machine, and I held a gun to your head, and > told you that I would pull the trigger if you got three oranges, would you not > like to have a look a that machine a little more closely, to see what the odds > REALLY are? I'm not a gambler because, as an epidemiologist, I don't like the odds. In you scenario, I'd be MUCH more interested in the odds of you pulling the trigger, than whether the machine happened to play two oranges and a faded red apple. With a gun to my head you could decide they _were_ oranges. The last time I played in a casino was the Bahamas. After winning $12 at the wheel adn refusing to play again (the odds are terrible) I bet my companions that if I crumpled up a $ bill and let it drop, as if by mistake to the floor, it would be picked up in under 10 secs. We got down to 4 secs - an amazing lady did a limbo style back reach that had us breaking out in applause. This attracted the attantion of the management who threw us out because we were contributing to crime and more importantly, were not paying them a percentage. If you are going to throw your money away, you might as well have some fun doing it, PFO or no PFO. -ph
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