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Stone is driven, and that is great - the only thing I like about him. He told
me he should not have let Ian on the trip. I agreed. I then asked him why he
had
stocked his Wakulla team with every useless stroke in Florida, including more
dialbetics, huge fat slobs, smokers, drinkers, people in horrifying physical
condition, and other people with a track record of inability. We know the
answer
to that one, now don't we. I told him I would not be involved for that reason,
and we never got on to the other fifty reasons, which then became moot, or
"mute" as Tom would say. Stone's "ego" is not a problem, other than when it
prevents him from listening to soembody like me who has been there, done that,
and he has not. But he will get his chance to see how far he is willing to
follow our lines before he realizes tha I konw what I am doing, and that the
only people qualified to do this are the ones who DO IT, not talk about it,
just
like I would never attempt to tell Stone how to do dry cave or how to make a
rebreaether. I would tell him whyy fully clesed is not for cave diving, but
then
what use would King have fo him then, other than to get him into Wakulla,
whichh we obviously would never do for any amount of money - we don't do things
like that. -G
On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, samuel frushour <frushour@in*.ed*> wrote:
>The guy who died was Ian ---- who went into insulin shock. I guess he
>was too valuable to keep him out of the water :-) Incidently the
>qualities of Stone that one would first notice are that he is a driven
>man who tries always to get his way and has an ego a mile wide.
>
>On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 gmiiii@in*.co* wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:21:27 -0700
>> From: gmiiii@in*.co*
>> To: techvid@ne*.co*, techdiver@terra.net
>> Subject: Re: Huatla Expedition
>>
>>
>> While we wre a Wakulla diving this weekend, a tourist came up to where we
>> stage the gear and said he saw an special by National Geographic about some
>> cave thing, and all he remembered was that "they killed some guy". What did
go
>> on there, what was the point, and what is it that we can expect in the
future
>> from this crowd or Nat Geo? Obviously, we can see what came of it - nothing,
and
>> all that people remember is what this guy said, which wa that they wacked
>> somebady, and this was the big event of the show - real cool stuff.
>>
>> Chris, you are an expert in clusterfucks and other idiocy,you know all
the
>> strokes and can lionize them effectively, so why don't you set us straight?
I
>> saw the Outside article, but threw it away when I realized that obviously
>> somebody had carried Stone's guitar a mile up the mountain - he lost me
right
>> there, and I read the Nat Geo article (which Stone himself wrote, and it
seemed
>> the same only the pictures were better, expecialy the one in Jackson Blue
which
>> they claimed was Huatla ( you could see the entrance in the background), but
>> only remember what the other guy remembered -nothing accomplished, one guy
dead.
>>
>> What is it these people are achieving and what can we learn from it,
other
>> than what we aleady know from Rule Number One?
>>
>> The problem with people like this is that they ruin it for the rest of
us
>> who are tying to get real scientific results, and as Todd Kincaid points out
,
>> everyone just thinks we are a bunch of crazies when all these guys do is
>> highlight the risk-taking and the dangers to make themselves feel like big
>> guys. They aren't, and we all know it . The mere fact that THEY can do
>> this, when we know they can not cave dive, means the only danger was the
>> persistant, consitant, relentless violation of rule number one, and the
>> disregard for option number one.
>>
>> But go ahead and set us straight anyway - we don't have idiots to pay
our
>> bils, as we don't break our own sacred rules, and we have guys who are
trying
to
>> do research, but who get donwplayed by their peer groups when they publish
>> thanks to the publicity from the wannabees.
>>
>> Maybe you can clear this up for us, Chris
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, techvid@ne*.co* (Brown, Christopher) wrote:
>> >Scott Cherf said:
>> >>National Geographic covered a cave dive that Stone did a year or so ago
>> >>using what looked like a MkIV. I think the article was titled 'Huatalla
>> >>Cave Quest'. Check it out.
>> >
>> >That was the September '95 issue of National Geographic.
>> >
>> > Also see OUTSIDE Magazine, Nov. '94 for another take on the same project.
>> >
>> >With anything you read, including internet posts (especially the internet,
>> >since this medium has no fact-checkers, editors, truth-standards, controls,
>> >etc.) beware the "Rashomon" Effect: Everyone who was there, or not there,
>> >has a different version of the same events.
>> >
>> >("Rashomon", 1950, by Akira Kurosawa, great on a rainy day, with a plate of
>> >sushi and warm botle of saki. Oh, btw, it's *not* about diving.)
>> >
>> >Christopher A. Brown
>> >Sci-Graphica PR and DOCENT FILMS
>> >The Technical Diving Video Library (TDVL)
>> >(N.Am. & Canada): 1-800-373-7222
>> >Outside US:904-942-7222 Fax:904-942-1240
>> >
>> >Life is short -- this is not a rehearsal.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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