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From: <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:21:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Huatla Expedition
To: techvid@ne*.co* (Brown, Christopher), techdiver@terra.net

  While we wre a Wakulla diving this weekend, a tourist came up to where we 
stage the gear and said he saw an special by  National Geographic about some 
cave thing, and all he remembered was that "they killed some guy". What did go 
on there, what was the point, and what is it that we can expect in the future 
from this crowd or Nat Geo? Obviously, we can see what came of it - nothing,
and 
all that people remember is what this guy said, which wa that they wacked 
somebady, and this was the big event of the show - real cool stuff.

   Chris, you are an expert in clusterfucks and other idiocy,you know all the 
strokes and can lionize them effectively, so why don't you set us straight? I 
saw the Outside article, but threw it away when I realized that obviously 
somebody had carried Stone's guitar a mile up the mountain - he lost me right 
there, and I read the Nat Geo article (which Stone himself wrote, and it seemed 
the same only the pictures were better, expecialy the one in Jackson Blue which 
they claimed was Huatla ( you could see the entrance in the background), but 
only remember what the other guy remembered -nothing accomplished, one guy dead.

    What is it these people are achieving and what can we learn from it, other 
than what we aleady know from Rule Number One? 

      The problem with people like this is that they ruin it for the rest of us 
who are tying to get real scientific results, and as Todd Kincaid points out , 
everyone just thinks we are a bunch of crazies when all these guys do is 
highlight the risk-taking and the dangers to make themselves feel like big 
guys. They aren't,  and we all know it . The mere fact that THEY can do 
this, when we know they can not cave dive, means  the only danger was the 
persistant, consitant, relentless violation of rule number one, and the 
disregard for option number one.

      But go ahead and set us straight anyway - we don't have idiots to pay our 
bils, as we don't break our own sacred rules, and we have guys who are trying
to 
do research, but who get donwplayed by their peer groups when they publish 
thanks to the publicity from the wannabees.

       Maybe you can clear this up for us, Chris
       
On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, techvid@ne*.co* (Brown, Christopher) wrote:
>Scott Cherf said:
>>National Geographic covered a cave dive that Stone did a year or so ago
>>using what looked like a MkIV.  I think the article was titled 'Huatalla
>>Cave Quest'.  Check it out.
>
>That was the September '95 issue of National Geographic.
>
> Also see OUTSIDE Magazine, Nov. '94 for another take on the same project.
>
>With anything you read, including internet posts (especially the internet,
>since this medium has no fact-checkers, editors, truth-standards, controls,
>etc.) beware the "Rashomon" Effect: Everyone who was there, or not there,
>has a different version of the same events.
>
>("Rashomon", 1950, by Akira Kurosawa, great on a rainy day, with a plate of
>sushi and warm botle of saki. Oh, btw, it's *not* about diving.)
>
>Christopher A. Brown
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