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From: <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:34:11 -0700
Subject: RE: Gavin Scooters - DOWNTOWN
To: cavers@ge*.co*, freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*, techdiver@terra.net
Cc: John Zumrick <76022.2745@co*.co*>

  I hear the deep caving team is conducting "scooter tryouts", and they claim
to 
have one of our scooters - this better not be true. 
	
  This silliness has gone far enough. Nobody on the deep caving team is 
qualified to do these dives, and if they were, they would be doing them. These 
people have no clue what it takes to go "downtown" if they did they would not 
be questioning the WKPP. After 128 trips "downtown", it is clear to me why I do 
what I do, as it it equally unclear to these people.

  Anyone found violating the agreement under which I built this equipment will 
deal with me (don't bother ever showing up again). Gavin designed it, and I 
built it, and besides being an extreme insult to both of us , it puts us at 
liability. These people have no business in a cave , let alone on one of my 
scooters. They have no business deep diving.

  These people have said they can do it better than us, they have the 
technology, and they will tripple our distance. So far , that means 24,900
feet. 
Since not one of them has ever done one tenth of that , and since not 
one of them could even get to the end of our line in Manatee Springs at 60 feet 
with  ANY equipment, and certainly not in Leon Sinks or Wakulla, and since they 
have absolutely no clue what that even means, I will suggest that any further 
dealing with these insulting strokes be handled by Rick Sankey and Brent 
Scarabin, I want no more hassle with this. If you have any questions 
about this , talk to them - they know how to deal with idiots.

     Any member of the deep caving team who still thinks they know better than 
us can call Bill Gavin, tell him that they want a "real engineer" to look at
his 
scooter design (he designs the secret ones for the Navy). Maybe Zumrick should 
try that line on Gavin to his face. Then maybe they can tell him what 
"modifications" need to be made and at least give Gavin a good laugh to make up 
for the insult. Zumrick needs modification - his mouth needs to be sewn shut 
with his foot in it 

     Go make your own scooters, and do everything you can - until you are 
willing to do what we do as a matter of routine, you have no chance, and even 
then, we will just do it more and harder, but that will never happen, as it is 
easier to do what you guys do best - sit around and pontificate, and insult the 
guys who do it best 

   I no longer think this is funny, and will tolerate no more of it. Just
assmue 
that we are morons and have no clue, and forget we exist

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