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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:42:52 -0700
From: iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co* (IANTD )
Subject: Re: DEATHS WILL BE FAULT OF POLITICIANS!
To: dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker)
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*
Dan this one was a private E mail why did you place it on the net??

Oh Dan, On ass kicking most of us who live the life with martial arts 
as our philosophy and more less religion as well as the art and 
fighting skills we practice do not threaten folks. So I on the martial 
arts consider these challenges out of character of the art to challenge 
those you disagree with to a fight.

I'm a fifth Dan and in my case it does not stand for dances a lot, it 
represents consistent training including full contact fighting every 
since 1958 and boxing 65 fights when i was younger beginning in 1952 
and boxing thro 1968 and boxing included with the martial arts every 
since 1958. Recently I have discontinued full contact because of age 
and all the injuries received in a full time life of numerous contact 
sports. While I would not accept invitations such as those you offer to 
fight. if pushed I would be the last person to walk away and others 
share similar views. I do not know the philosophy of the person I 
referenced but I do know their abilities which are comparable to those 
Sheck had and he too was a high dan who did not dance with mirrors.
Tom 
You wrote: 
>
>Tom Wrote:
>>snip--
>>I will not tell them you will kick sand in their face as one of them 
is 
>>a 4th dan and would most likely rub your head in it.
>
>Tom,
>Since Kickboxing was my main competitive sport before I got into 
cycling (my 
>present one), and I still work out in the ring occasionally, chances 
are 
>good your 4th dan (translation of 4th dan---he dances alot in the 
mirror 
>(katas) but could not fight his way out of a paper bag), I insist you 
tell 
>him and their group I'll kick sand in their faces.
>
>Dan
>
>>
>snip-
>>>
>>>Tom,
>>>As I see it, what they did was so BULLSHIT, I have zero respect for 
>>them, 
>>>and anyone associated with them. 
>>>And  you can tell any of them, I'll kick sand in their face any time 
I 
>>see them.
>>>Dan
>>>
>>>>Dan
>>>>It is intresting to note that you attack divers that you do not 
know, 
>>
>>>>have never dived with and are totally unaware of their real skills.
>>>>
>>>>Nothing to do with Wakulla but, Wes skiles is well respected by the 

>>>>cave community overall. He also has more than 20 years of cave 
diving 
>>
>>>>experience and is active cave diving as evidenced by the recent 
>>mexico 
>>>>film. Why don't you check with Mike Madden on his abilities and 
>>skills. 
>>>>Wes has some rather major accomplishments under his belt. 
>>>>
>>>>Jim King is a safe and overall respected cave diver and is a good 
>>cave 
>>>>diver he too has made some rather interesting dives.
>>>>
>>>>Bill Stone is a caver and from all I can gather from people who 
dive 
>>>>with him a good cave diver.I do not know him well enough to really 
>>give 
>>>>an opnion, but others do. 
>>>>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like its time for EVERYONE ON THE LISTS to begin telling 
the 
>>>>REAL 
>>>>>TRUTH  about the proficiency levels of  Bill Stone, Jim King, Wes 
>>>>Skiles and 
>>>>>their buddies....and no punches should be pulled. 
>>>>>
>>>>>The top ranking politicians should get the opportunity to know how 

>>>>little 
>>>>>respect Stone, King and Skiles et al have with their peers, 
through 
>>>>>printouts of the tech and cavers list we can all mail to them.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll start this by saying categorically that  George would be 
safer 
>>>>with a 
>>>>>single 80 and diving solo, than these half wits would be in full  
>>cave 
>>>>dress...
>>>>>
>>>>>How many polititians are going to  want to "create" AND BE 
>>>>"RESPONSIBLE FOR" 
>>>>>cave diving deaths, by allowing horrifyingly incompetent strokes 
to 
>>>>dive in 
>>>>>places they are unlikely to survive-----
>>>>>
>>>>>We should ALL GO ON RECORD AS STATING THAT IF STONE, SKILES ET AL 
GO 
>>
>>>>IN TO 
>>>>>WAKULLA, THE DEATHS WILL BE LARGELY THE FAULT OF POLITITCIANS  WHO 

>>>>SIDED 
>>>>>WITH THE "MOMA'S BOYS" OVER THE BIGGER BOYS WHO CALLED THEM 
>>>>WIMPS....WOULD 
>>>>>THESE SAME POLITICIANS SEND 12 YEAR OLD CHILDREN TO BATTLE IN 
>>FOREIGN 
>>>>WARS, 
>>>>>OR PARAPLEGICS, OR RETARDED PEOPLE??? WHERE WILL THEY DRAW THE 
>>LINE!!! 
>>>>
>>>>>The issue at hand is not how "Nice" George is to people who say 
>>>>foolish 
>>>>>things, or even if he has made "nasty" slurs----the issue is,  
"who 
>>>>will be 
>>>>>safest, when exploring one of the most dangerous penetrations this 

>>>>>government is in a position to be responsible for"....Obviously 
the 
>>>>safest 
>>>>>and best group is WKPP, and "moma's boy" tactics by Stone and 
Skiles 
>>
>>>>should 
>>>>>not be allowed to get them into Wakulla.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dan
>Dan Volker
>SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL
>"The Internet magazine for Underwater Photography and mpeg Video"
>http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive
>407-683-3592
>
>

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