Dan this one was a private E mail why did you place it on the net?? Oh Dan, On ass kicking most of us who live the life with martial arts as our philosophy and more less religion as well as the art and fighting skills we practice do not threaten folks. So I on the martial arts consider these challenges out of character of the art to challenge those you disagree with to a fight. I'm a fifth Dan and in my case it does not stand for dances a lot, it represents consistent training including full contact fighting every since 1958 and boxing 65 fights when i was younger beginning in 1952 and boxing thro 1968 and boxing included with the martial arts every since 1958. Recently I have discontinued full contact because of age and all the injuries received in a full time life of numerous contact sports. While I would not accept invitations such as those you offer to fight. if pushed I would be the last person to walk away and others share similar views. I do not know the philosophy of the person I referenced but I do know their abilities which are comparable to those Sheck had and he too was a high dan who did not dance with mirrors. Tom You wrote: > >Tom Wrote: >>snip-- >>I will not tell them you will kick sand in their face as one of them is >>a 4th dan and would most likely rub your head in it. > >Tom, >Since Kickboxing was my main competitive sport before I got into cycling (my >present one), and I still work out in the ring occasionally, chances are >good your 4th dan (translation of 4th dan---he dances alot in the mirror >(katas) but could not fight his way out of a paper bag), I insist you tell >him and their group I'll kick sand in their faces. > >Dan > >> >snip- >>> >>>Tom, >>>As I see it, what they did was so BULLSHIT, I have zero respect for >>them, >>>and anyone associated with them. >>>And you can tell any of them, I'll kick sand in their face any time I >>see them. >>>Dan >>> >>>>Dan >>>>It is intresting to note that you attack divers that you do not know, >> >>>>have never dived with and are totally unaware of their real skills. >>>> >>>>Nothing to do with Wakulla but, Wes skiles is well respected by the >>>>cave community overall. He also has more than 20 years of cave diving >> >>>>experience and is active cave diving as evidenced by the recent >>mexico >>>>film. Why don't you check with Mike Madden on his abilities and >>skills. >>>>Wes has some rather major accomplishments under his belt. >>>> >>>>Jim King is a safe and overall respected cave diver and is a good >>cave >>>>diver he too has made some rather interesting dives. >>>> >>>>Bill Stone is a caver and from all I can gather from people who dive >>>>with him a good cave diver.I do not know him well enough to really >>give >>>>an opnion, but others do. >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>Sounds like its time for EVERYONE ON THE LISTS to begin telling the >>>>REAL >>>>>TRUTH about the proficiency levels of Bill Stone, Jim King, Wes >>>>Skiles and >>>>>their buddies....and no punches should be pulled. >>>>> >>>>>The top ranking politicians should get the opportunity to know how >>>>little >>>>>respect Stone, King and Skiles et al have with their peers, through >>>>>printouts of the tech and cavers list we can all mail to them. >>>>> >>>>>I'll start this by saying categorically that George would be safer >>>>with a >>>>>single 80 and diving solo, than these half wits would be in full >>cave >>>>dress... >>>>> >>>>>How many polititians are going to want to "create" AND BE >>>>"RESPONSIBLE FOR" >>>>>cave diving deaths, by allowing horrifyingly incompetent strokes to >>>>dive in >>>>>places they are unlikely to survive----- >>>>> >>>>>We should ALL GO ON RECORD AS STATING THAT IF STONE, SKILES ET AL GO >> >>>>IN TO >>>>>WAKULLA, THE DEATHS WILL BE LARGELY THE FAULT OF POLITITCIANS WHO >>>>SIDED >>>>>WITH THE "MOMA'S BOYS" OVER THE BIGGER BOYS WHO CALLED THEM >>>>WIMPS....WOULD >>>>>THESE SAME POLITICIANS SEND 12 YEAR OLD CHILDREN TO BATTLE IN >>FOREIGN >>>>WARS, >>>>>OR PARAPLEGICS, OR RETARDED PEOPLE??? WHERE WILL THEY DRAW THE >>LINE!!! >>>> >>>>>The issue at hand is not how "Nice" George is to people who say >>>>foolish >>>>>things, or even if he has made "nasty" slurs----the issue is, "who >>>>will be >>>>>safest, when exploring one of the most dangerous penetrations this >>>>>government is in a position to be responsible for"....Obviously the >>>>safest >>>>>and best group is WKPP, and "moma's boy" tactics by Stone and Skiles >> >>>>should >>>>>not be allowed to get them into Wakulla. >>>>> >>>>>Dan >Dan Volker >SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL >"The Internet magazine for Underwater Photography and mpeg Video" >http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive >407-683-3592 > >
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