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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:44:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nick Simicich <njs@sc*.ma*.co*>
cc: cave list <cavers@ge*.co*>, techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: New angle 300 bar
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On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Jess Armantrout wrote:

> I think it is well known among people who have a clue that the filling is
> always done the same.  But for some funny reason, I personnally get a warm
> fuzzy feeling from a lot number than can be traced.  Now I know that is no
> guarentee either, but for the buck extra, I 'll splurge.  I know my supplier
> treats all bottles identically when they come in (they are drained and
> purged) but i am not sure if all suplliers do this for industrial.  I think
> this is required for medical.  Anyway, I still prefer gas in a botlle marked
> medical, be it o2 or he2.

Um, this really depends on the supplier.  I asked at the gas supplier
in Peekskill, NY, and they indicated that bottles for industrial O2
were pumped down once, and medical bottles were pumped down twice,
with a flush of O2 between the pumpdowns.  So you really need to ask
at your supplier.  Don't make any presumptions.

The biggest risk is that acetylene is dissolved in a solvent, and that
if the check valves are dead, the solvent or acetylene will back flow
to the O2 bottle if the O2 is run to full empty, and that you will get
a smell or a high when you breathe it.  Pumping the bottle down twice
supposedly eliminates any possibility of residual contaminants, or so
the seller told me.  As noted below, this supplier filled the O2
bottles from the same source.  The Peekskill supplier indicated that
they would move bottles from the industrial to the medical supply at
need.  YMMV.

> At 10:22 AM 4/17/96 -0400, Mario Nicola wrote:
> >> I heard they were using industrial oxygen for nitrox and telling people
> >> aviators was harmful.  Any truth to this that you know of?
> >
> > This is  another fine example of  BS and strokery. 
> >       
> >     Aviators oxygen, I believe is checked to make sure it
> >has a low moister content for obvious reasons, but I'm not 
> >an aviator so don' t take my word for this.

I believe that Aviator's O2 is USP O2 with a moisture content limit,
so that the regs won't freeze.

> >   As far as industrial  and medical  oxygen is concerned
> >there is absolutely no deference between the two.
> >   The cylinders are filled from the same liquid oxygen bank,
> >the difference is in the maintenance and handling of the tanks,
> >and believe me, I have seen industrial tanks in a lot 
> >better shape than medical cylinders.  This does not mean this is
> >always the case. 
> >  Oxygen is oxygen is oxygen. No deference other than what you 
> >are breathing it out of, and impurities that can enter the tank during 
> >transfer.  This is why o2  should always be analyzed before using or 
> >mixing.

Do you believe that lots of folks actually analyze their O2 before
using it, by, for example, running it through a gas chromatograph or
some other good analysis technique?  I don't think running it past a
O2 analyzer counts as analyzed.




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