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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:05:36 -1000 (HST)
From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.Ha*.Or*>
To: Steve Hogan <Steve_Hogan@qm*.sp*.tr*.co*>
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*, George Irvine <georgeirvine@ic*.co*>,
     techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: Oxygen Decompression (c

> Thanks for the clarification. My point was the limited useful ness of taking
an 
> "air break" for the O2 clock using air vs. another mix at that depth (or near
it).

Oh, O.K. - my misunderstanding.

> On of the other things I was questioning is that George uses a different
> standard of "safe Narcosis" than you do, if I understand your gas switching
> techniques. I believe that you once explained your techniques on TD and used
> a transit mix (EAN 32) to 130, Bottom MIX for bottom, and O2 for Deco. Is
this still true 
> and are  you still using the standard of PPN2 no higher than 4.0?

That was when I did mixed-gas OC dives.  With the rebreather, I now switch
to the helium diluent at about 90 feet, so during most of the dive the PN2
is about 2.3 ATM (EAD is still 90 feet, when you assume O2 is rougly
equipotent for narcosis - which it may or may not be at those levels). 
More nitrogen than this, I'm a little fuzzy.  Less than this, and I'm too
"wired". On the way home, I usually flush with nitrox at about 140 feet 
or thereabouts.  I barely notice any narcosis change from the 90-foot EAD 
when I do this - just a slight calming effect.  For the profiles I'm 
doing, it actually works out that more helium at depth is better from a 
decompression perspective, so it all fits fairly well.

> I would expect that George would opt for a mix other than AIR at 190 as 
> this might pose an unacceptably high PPN2 in an overhead situation. Given
> the number of gasses used by WKPP and the labeling method, I would expect
> that the rational that AIR is easier and will live with the narcosis is not
in George's
> character.... do it right or not at all.  My opinion is that an optimal mix
is a better 
> way to dive this situation (enough helium to lessen the PPN2). 

I'll let George elaborate, but as I said in my last message, he knows 
what he is doing, and his concern for safety and respect for the dangers 
of narcosis are greater than most people I know.  As he has said before, 
his project involves a lot of intertwined variables.  If one variable is 
tweaked, there are many ramifications for other variables.  

Also, it's not fair to compare what I do to what he does - we are in
extraordinarily different environments.  As much as he likes to suggest
that his methods are the best for all environments, I know and he knows
that he's just talking out the wrong end of his digestive system when he
suggests such things.  I do what's best for me, and he does what's best
for him.  The fact that I use lower PN2 in my dives does not in any way
suggest that he is wrong for using higher PN2 during portions of his
dives.  I've spoken on his behalf enough -- let's see what he has to say. 

Aloha,
Rich

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