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George
On Larry he dives the same system he always has, as long as I have 
knowm him he has buttmounted lights except when diving with you on WKP 
projects. 

Regardless of what you say there is nothing wrong or less safe in 
buttmounting va waist mounting a light. 

By the way I PAY my way also, Im not sponsored so I use equipment that 
serves my needs. I most likely have as many 10's of thousands of 
dollars invested as you do.

Again on a project a given way is agreed on, Your system is outstanding 
and proven. On a project you also have the ability, the justification 
and the control to insist that everyone involved performs to a specific 
standard and that does make the team a safer one for having total 
compatiability.

For diving outside of a given project, there are other outstanding and 
proven systems. And there are valid safe reasons for the selection of 
components or setups that neither you nor I advocate that are safe for 
the dives being made and the type of dives. I do not not have the 
ability nor do you to force everyone to do as I do or as you do. most 
people who are in tech diving are rather independent individuals who 
earn the right of choice and although I may not agree with them I 
respect them. 

I do not dive old sytems, my equipment config is always in a state of 
evolution. This I beleive is known as remaining abreast of the 
evolution of the sport. For instance my old config was a waist mounted 
light I changeds to butt mount as I prefer it. I use both on occassion 
but for my personal cave dive I like butt mounting. I do not think 
where lights are mounted is asafety issue. When I waist or buttmount I 
it is equally safe. You would have great difficulty proving 
buttmounting is dangerous. Not compatiable with your team configuration 
yes I agree. 

The transpac again for injured backs it is excellent and it is as 
stable as my backplate. Yes, i have customized it just as you and I 
customize backplate setups. so either the backplate or transpac either 
of us would use is not a off the shelf product. But either will work 
off the shelf.

How long is your knee going to keep you out of the water and when do 
you start thearpy? I can relate to knees to,  but with the new 
procedures they seem to fare well over time. seems like football has 
taken a toll on most of us. 

George did you get my private email ref the dpv.

I think we have covered this subject good enough and it is time to move 
on to other areas.
Tom
You wrote: 
>
>George
>No one is arguing about the validity of your system or techniques
>
>There are other safe ways and good ways of doing things and as I 
stated 
>regardless of how you and I feel everyone w
>
>   Tom, I do not think the other ways are safe. Like I said, one 
litttle peice 
>of goofery may not be the actual killing agent, but the mindset that 
allows 
>even that I do not want in the water with me. Convoluted solutions to 
bad gear 
>or other bad configurations are dangerous, obstructve, stressfull, 
clumsy, 
>indefficient, inappropriate, and inexcusable. 
>
>   You are mistaking your long time ability to dive anything with what 
really 
>works and what does not. I am sure you could dive with Mike Nelson's 
wooden 
>doubles from "Sea Hunt", but that may not be the best thing to use. 
>
>    Like I also said, I used to dive complete strokery, and did not 
stop me from
>doing all of the wrecks out here before anyone else, but I am lucky to 
be here 
>talking about it. Did you ever see the video where Decostein's reg 
pulled off 
>completely and was blowing air, and he did not ever know it? It was on 
the 
>"Caicos Express" on air at 280 with Bill Mee filming. We all all just 
lucky -
>we know better now, just like we know better about sqaure lights, 
buttmounting , 
>hose stuffing, and other unsafe practices.
>
>    I don't ant to hear about where to stuff the hose, I want to hear 
how to do 
>it right. We don't care what you did yesterday, we all did stupid shit 
-let's 
>not defend it any further, let's go ahead and get it right. Do you 
need me to 
>send you a tape? I had to give one to Mark Long, but he ate the box 
and threw
>away the tape. You look at yours first. -G
>\
>

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