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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 04:25:47 -0800
From: hdavis@ix*.ne*.co* (Henry Davis )
Subject: Re: Availability of Rebreathers
To: dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker)
Cc: Techdiver@terra.net
You wrote: 
>
>Hi Mike,
>The issue was and is the production of safe units. Odyssey has already 
put 
>them in the field, and has delivered completed units ...unfortunately 
for 
>Odyssey at TEK and DEMA, the shipment they had been planning on using 
for 
>display was too late out of production.

Without casting any doubt on the Odyssey, this was at best a real 
marketing blunder. Despite what *may* be better tradeoffs for a segment 
of the diving community, you have to admit that not showing up with A 
working unit gives an impression like vaporware or manufacturing 
problems. In the worst case, an instructor could have been paid to show 
up with a working unit. Other evidence to the contrary, it leads one to 
question whether or not this is a fielded unit.

>The handouts which you must have seen clearly showed the enormous 
difference 
>in safety margins.
> 

Which safety margins are you referencing? I've read the web pages and 
find an alternative configuration that has no more safety margin than 
other units. By safety margin, I'm refering to more traditional life 
support meanings: the ability to exceed the rated capacity by x%, 
duration of y minutes for one class of failures, duration for z minutes 
for yet another class of failures, etc. 

If there was a handout different from the web site information I'd like 
to get a copy.

>Safety is superior in the Odyssey because it does not rely on 
electronics 
>which will potentially fail, and in so doing allow a diver to become 
hypoxic 
>should there be a gas addition failure.

Every element in a diving rig has potential for failure. If we're 
talking MTBF, then the electronics themselves will not contribute 
significantly to the MTBF attributable to the mechanical components. 
The FIT rate of semicondutors is substantially lower than any 
mechanical component that I've reviewed. Of course, case fittings etc 
can reduce SYSTEM reliability.

BTW, there are a number of design techniques used in other life support 
equipment that are failsafe when the electronics fail. 


>Mike, the "safe" method of knowing your PO2s is computing the desired 
mix 
>based on depth, and using these mixes.  I would NEVER trust my life to 

>electronics ---electronic failures are far too common, even with good 
dive 
>computers (I'm sure you know what I mean here Mike ;)

Can you give a citation for your claim of electronics failure? Not to 
get off topic, but if you fly, drive a car, ride a train, have many 
different medical procedures, you ARE trusting your life to 
electronics.

Henry
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