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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 96 09:15:59 -0500
From: Carl Heinzl <cgh@ma*.ai*.mi*.ed*>
To: woolfrey@oz*.co*.au*
Cc: JOHNCOMLY@de*.co*, gmiiii@in*.co*, techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Long Hose Methods

Come on guys...

Why are you trying so HARD to justify something that you're ADMITTING
gave you problems and has limitations under certain circumstances.
Why not just dive the one solution that WORKS under ALL circumstances???

Try this - when would breathing the long hose NOT be a good idea -
hint NEVER.  If it's so easy for some people to see this why do so
many people try so hard to justify a suboptimal and more dangerous
situation???  I too am now starting to understand why George's temper
gets flared so easily.

>Last weekend I dove with a "stuffed" long hose. When It was stuffed
>(into rubber bands alongside one of my twins), it was fine. During

Until it ges squashed between the tank and boat a few times, or
abraded by a rock or cut by a piece of metal on a wreck, etc

What happens if one or more of the rubber bands breaks - they you
REALLY look like a stroke with long hose hanging out everywhere.

>deco, a diver needed some air, so I thought it would be a great chance
>to try my long hose. Really, much easier... nice long hose... you can
>look at the guy you're sharing air with, lots of room to move about..

And you can be behind him in a cave OR a wreck, or any other situation
that would be easier for you to not be right there in his face.  Think
about how SUBOPTIMAL the open water octopus is due to its short length
- then people will stop arguing to use "openwater gear because that's
how most people are taught".

>When I gave him the reg, I let go of it without "unstuffing" it.
>Pretty stupid. He took the reg, and moved behind me, 'cause to him, it

That alone should be a hint that it's a stroke setup.  After this,
why do you keep defending it???  Problems like this just would NOT
happen if you breathe the long hose.

>looked like a normal (short hose) reg. I couldn't reach behind my BC
>to where the hose was stuffed to free it, and whenever I turned to try
>to face him so I could grab the reg end of the hose, he would swim
>back behind me.  Must've looked pretty strange to everyone else... a
>couple of divers spinning around like mating blowflies.

You admit problems yet youdefend this position - unbelievable.

> Of course, there was no real problem, and it's hard to see how there 
>could have been, but apart from a cave dive where you may have to have 
>two air-sharing divers in a narrow passage, what advantage is there with 
>a long hose, and how do you balance that against "stuffing" problems?

Or a wreck dive - same situation.

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP DEFENDING THIS ADMITEDLY INFERIOR TECHNIQUE HAT
THEY THEMSELVES HAVE PROBLEMS WITH???  Why not use ONE technique,
one style for ALL of diving.  

Reasons to breathe the long hose...

1) Ease of Deployment (see problem given above)
2) Ease of restowing (after picking up stages, going on deco gas, whatever).
3) Better on long hose (won' get squashed, cut, caught, etc)
4) You never have to re-learn how to do it for cave/wreck if you 
breathe the long hose.
5) You'll always use the same config sothings will be second nature.
6) You won't come under rule #1.

There's probably other reasons but, it's 6:13 am here in California
and I went to bed at 3:30 so I'm just up for a short while.

-Carl-

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