Scott, the "liability" comes when you do dumb things like Mouth does, like
teaching while on a rebreather, or trying to dive to 300 feet in a trimix
class like the dive that killed Jane Ornstein, or diving with no safety
divers, no mate, no crew, no ball , and so forth in the Andre killings, or
other such stupidity. I have taught plenty of people to trimix dive. The key
is not to charge them, and to DIR.

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>
To: <Jack.Kreska@mo*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>; <john_dudas@ya*.co*>;
<cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 7:02 PM
Subject: RE: "Junior" Cave Divers?


> the only problem is that by the time you have a serious life and serious
> job, the liability is not worth it.  i could potentially be a GUE
istructor,
> but the liability risk is not worth it.  i prefer to pass on what i know
for
> free to the new guys on the team.
>
>
> >From: Kreska Jack-FJK003 <Jack.Kreska@mo*.co*>
> >To: "'trey@ne*.co*'" <trey@ne*.co*>, John Dudas
> ><john_dudas@ya*.co*>,        cavers@cavers.com
> >Subject: RE: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:23:43 -0500
> >
> >I think you'll find that many of the better instructors (like me, for
> >instance (-: ) are gainfully employed in industries other than scuba.
Most
> >of us around here are college graduates working in technical or
> >professional
> >positions. I agree with George.
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:29 PM
> >To: John Dudas; cavers@cavers.com
> >Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> >
> >
> >The problem is that you have trailer trash like the Heinerths trying to
> >make
> >a living teaching diving . It is not possible to do that.
> >
> >In my case, I got taught by my father's boat captain, but my PADI
> >instructor
> >had an MBA and works a real job, my cavern instructor was Alton Hall, and
> >my
> >cave instructor was Parker Turner, whose money I managed - he did not
need
> >to work.
> >
> >Bill Mee and I were out diving on one of the local boats in Hollywood ,
> >Florida, and there was this lady teaching a kid from her neighborhood to
> >dive. Bill and I were amazed at how cool she was about it. Not believing
> >she
> >could possibly be a dive instructor full time and go teaching one kid on
a
> >Sunday afternoon and taking that much care, I asked her what she did for
a
> >living . She is a 777 pilot for Delta. A tad different than World Record
> >Jill and the IANTD 12 year old cavern diver crowd. A tad different.
> >
> >I hope they all lose their insurance and go back to working at the 7 -11
> >where they all belong.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: John Dudas <john_dudas@ya*.co*>
> >To: George Trey Irvine <trey@ne*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:11 PM
> >Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> >
> >
> > > I've been reading this whole thread with shock.  I
> > > coached 12 year olds in soccer and at that age they
> > > are still very much developing motor skills.  Can you
> > > imagine one of them trying to close off a cracked
> > > manafold while in a panic??!  Or helping a diver that
> > > is in need of rescue?  If these 12 year olds go on to
> > > advanced diving at 13, 14, or 15 those are the ages
> > > where some of the worst accidents take place because
> > > of the "Superman Syndrome".  Kids, and I do mean kids
> > > think that they are impervious.  The parents also tend
> > > to push their kids into wreckless behavior - "be a
> > > footbal star early...".  Cave or Cavern - it does not
> > > matter.  I also think that the PADI bubble blower
> > > program is NUTS!  Along the lines of  divers that
> > > smoke and fat slobs in the water (fat=nitrogen
> > > retension)!
> > >
> > > One of these days the insurance industry is going to
> > > wise up to these idiots and we are all going to be
> > > screwed.  I don't want to have to lie about a sport
> > > that I love in order to keep insurance.
> > >
> > > John Dudas
> > > PDDC
> > > WWW.dcdiver.com
> > > --- Trey <trey@ne*.co*> wrote:
> > > > We need to take Alton public. The tec diving
> > > > bullshit is so far beyond the pale it is ridiculous.
> > > > It is only a matter of time before these guys : 1)
> > > > lose their insurance, 2) get diving regulated, 3)
> > > > cause such an uproar that the kind of diving we do
> > > > will be illegal.
> > > >
> > > > Notice that they all go along with it, because the
> > > > NACD , the CDS, and the rest of the game is all run
> > > > by dive instructors who are trying to make a living
> > > > out of our sport. These people are parasites of the
> > > > worst order. I can not wait until the releases they
> > > > use to get away with bullshit start getting thrown
> > > > out,and they eventually will due to the degree to
> > > > which these people display a cavalier attitude about
> > > > human life, and the low level of trailer trash that
> > > > teaches diving for the most part these days.
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@mc*.co*>
> > > > To: MrClark95@ao*.co* <MrClark95@ao*.co*>;
> > > > wkpp@eg*.co* <wkpp@eg*.co*>
> > > > Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > > Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >George,
> > > > >How do I buy stock in Alton's company?
> > > > >
> > > > >Trout
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: <MrClark95@ao*.co*>
> > > > >To: <wkpp@eg*.co*>
> > > > >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:51 PM
> > > > >Subject: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>             I have just heard that IANTD is now
> > > > offering "junior overhead"
> > > > >> diving courses for twelve-year-olds including
> > > > cave diving, and two other
> > > > >> "junior" courses for twelve year olds. It seems
> > > > to me that this is why
> > > > >kids
> > > > >> have parents - to keep them from acting like
> > > > armadillos crossing the road.
> > > > >If
> > > > >> this is indeed true, then this is a new low in
> > > > the "Anything For A Buck"
> > > > >> category.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>             Maybe Mount can explain this one to
> > > > us, and CC his "Board of
> > > > >> Advisors", so we can at least see a list of who
> > > > approves of this kind of
> > > > >> nonsense, if indeed it is even true, which is
> > > > hard to believe, and see who
> > > > >it
> > > > >> is that is obviously trying desperately to put an
> > > > end to diving as we know
> > > > >> it, or at least cave and "tec" diving as we know
> > > > it. I can see one of
> > > > >these
> > > > >> newpaper headlines now, "12 year old drowns in
> > > > cave, writes note to mommy
> > > > >on
> > > > >> tank, IANTD card found in MIkey Mouse lunch box
> > > > on bike".
> > > > >>
> > > > >>             What next?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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