It is just not an activity that lends itself to making a living. I just had
this conversation with JJ. The young guys may teach and dive for a while,
and then they get other jobs and teach on the side. Then there are the old
pros who do something else and teach a little. JJ is looking for people who
do not need to teach.

The worst are the course jammers and the full time players who like to teach
courses like deep air that have no cost, other than in human life, or
reabreather courses, which they can charge more money for.

It is no accident who the instructors are who claim the "world's youngest
overhead diver" .

Diving is a gift to be passed on, not something to make money off of - it is
too dangerous if done this way.



----- Original Message -----
From: Kreska Jack-FJK003 <Jack.Kreska@mo*.co*>
To: <trey@ne*.co*>; John Dudas <john_dudas@ya*.co*>;
<cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: "Junior" Cave Divers?


> I think you'll find that many of the better instructors (like me, for
> instance (-: ) are gainfully employed in industries other than scuba. Most
> of us around here are college graduates working in technical or
professional
> positions. I agree with George.
>
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:29 PM
> To: John Dudas; cavers@cavers.com
> Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
>
>
> The problem is that you have trailer trash like the Heinerths trying to
make
> a living teaching diving . It is not possible to do that.
>
> In my case, I got taught by my father's boat captain, but my PADI
instructor
> had an MBA and works a real job, my cavern instructor was Alton Hall, and
my
> cave instructor was Parker Turner, whose money I managed - he did not need
> to work.
>
> Bill Mee and I were out diving on one of the local boats in Hollywood ,
> Florida, and there was this lady teaching a kid from her neighborhood to
> dive. Bill and I were amazed at how cool she was about it. Not believing
she
> could possibly be a dive instructor full time and go teaching one kid on a
> Sunday afternoon and taking that much care, I asked her what she did for a
> living . She is a 777 pilot for Delta. A tad different than World Record
> Jill and the IANTD 12 year old cavern diver crowd. A tad different.
>
> I hope they all lose their insurance and go back to working at the 7 -11
> where they all belong.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Dudas <john_dudas@ya*.co*>
> To: George Trey Irvine <trey@ne*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
>
>
> > I've been reading this whole thread with shock.  I
> > coached 12 year olds in soccer and at that age they
> > are still very much developing motor skills.  Can you
> > imagine one of them trying to close off a cracked
> > manafold while in a panic??!  Or helping a diver that
> > is in need of rescue?  If these 12 year olds go on to
> > advanced diving at 13, 14, or 15 those are the ages
> > where some of the worst accidents take place because
> > of the "Superman Syndrome".  Kids, and I do mean kids
> > think that they are impervious.  The parents also tend
> > to push their kids into wreckless behavior - "be a
> > footbal star early...".  Cave or Cavern - it does not
> > matter.  I also think that the PADI bubble blower
> > program is NUTS!  Along the lines of  divers that
> > smoke and fat slobs in the water (fat=nitrogen
> > retension)!
> >
> > One of these days the insurance industry is going to
> > wise up to these idiots and we are all going to be
> > screwed.  I don't want to have to lie about a sport
> > that I love in order to keep insurance.
> >
> > John Dudas
> > PDDC
> > WWW.dcdiver.com
> > --- Trey <trey@ne*.co*> wrote:
> > > We need to take Alton public. The tec diving
> > > bullshit is so far beyond the pale it is ridiculous.
> > > It is only a matter of time before these guys : 1)
> > > lose their insurance, 2) get diving regulated, 3)
> > > cause such an uproar that the kind of diving we do
> > > will be illegal.
> > >
> > > Notice that they all go along with it, because the
> > > NACD , the CDS, and the rest of the game is all run
> > > by dive instructors who are trying to make a living
> > > out of our sport. These people are parasites of the
> > > worst order. I can not wait until the releases they
> > > use to get away with bullshit start getting thrown
> > > out,and they eventually will due to the degree to
> > > which these people display a cavalier attitude about
> > > human life, and the low level of trailer trash that
> > > teaches diving for the most part these days.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@mc*.co*>
> > > To: MrClark95@ao*.co* <MrClark95@ao*.co*>;
> > > wkpp@eg*.co* <wkpp@eg*.co*>
> > > Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> > >
> > >
> > > >George,
> > > >How do I buy stock in Alton's company?
> > > >
> > > >Trout
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: <MrClark95@ao*.co*>
> > > >To: <wkpp@eg*.co*>
> > > >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > >Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:51 PM
> > > >Subject: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>             I have just heard that IANTD is now
> > > offering "junior overhead"
> > > >> diving courses for twelve-year-olds including
> > > cave diving, and two other
> > > >> "junior" courses for twelve year olds. It seems
> > > to me that this is why
> > > >kids
> > > >> have parents - to keep them from acting like
> > > armadillos crossing the road.
> > > >If
> > > >> this is indeed true, then this is a new low in
> > > the "Anything For A Buck"
> > > >> category.
> > > >>
> > > >>             Maybe Mount can explain this one to
> > > us, and CC his "Board of
> > > >> Advisors", so we can at least see a list of who
> > > approves of this kind of
> > > >> nonsense, if indeed it is even true, which is
> > > hard to believe, and see who
> > > >it
> > > >> is that is obviously trying desperately to put an
> > > end to diving as we know
> > > >> it, or at least cave and "tec" diving as we know
> > > it. I can see one of
> > > >these
> > > >> newpaper headlines now, "12 year old drowns in
> > > cave, writes note to mommy
> > > >on
> > > >> tank, IANTD card found in MIkey Mouse lunch box
> > > on bike".
> > > >>
> > > >>             What next?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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