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this has got be the most ridiculous horseshit i have seen so far. rules and age limits exist for a reason. my parents might want me to drive at 14, and they may try to take me to secretly do it, but it is still not allowed. do you just make up the rules as you go. you cannot sky dive at 12, so why should you go in an overhead environment. oh, i know. it is because the parents have some cash for you. for once, just try to stand for something besides a buck. tell them that they cannot be trained. why is that so fucking hard? if the cds and nacd will not train cavern at 12, neither should you. >From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> >Reply-To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> >To: "Jill Heinerth" <heinerth@gt*.ne*>, "Scott Landon" ><js_landon@ho*.co*>, "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*> >CC: <cavers@cavers.com>, "a n" <techdiver@aq*.co*> >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:09:13 -0400 > >No it is something you do not understand it is the truth > >By the way yes we do have an overhead course for 12 year olds cavern not >cave and not intro cave.They have to do it with their guardian and dive >with >the guardian who is most likely the parents or if the legal guardian >someone >they trust a lot. > >Would you rather that the parents just take their kids on these dives with >no training because they do when not given the ability to have them >trained. >and they are kept on OW gear. For many in central Florida and other similar >areas there is little option for diving if they do no go into a cavern > >I think you will find IANTD was not the first to offer this program and it >will not be the last. We usually lead in this case we followed but better >trained than just following the parents. No they cannot dive unsupervised, >yes we think this will prevent accidents. and it has been in the standards >for many years it is not new. > >Tom Mount >CEO IAND Inc / IANTD >TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* >Please note my new eMail address >----- Original Message ----- >From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> >To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon ><js_landon@ho*.co*>; <heinerth@gt*.ne*> >Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> >Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:57 PM >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > > > Tom, is this from that lying bitch who said she went 10 grand at Wakulla >, > > "World Record Jill"? Oh, I believe her. We all do. Tell her to get a new >set > > of wheels for her mobile home and drag it to Arkansas with the rest of >the > > liars. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*> > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:40 PM > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > This can be forwarded to the list since it represents the accurate > > picture: > > > > > > The student at Little River under private instruction from Paul >Heinerth > > was > > > "interested" in the possibility of cave training and diving double >tanks. > > > She > > > is very petite, but 25 years old. She did an orientation dive in the >open > > > water > > > at Little River on the double tanks and some preliminary cavern swims >with > > a > > > reel down to the permanent guideline and back a couple of times. She > > carried > > > her own doubles up and down the steps at Little River and with the > > guidnace > > > of > > > her instructor and fiance chose to delay continued training until she >had > > an > > > opportunity to spend some time at the gym preparing to carry double >tanks. > > > She > > > was quite sore after the day's activities. > > > I hope everyone recalls how challenging it can be when starting >anything > > new > > > in > > > life. Sometimes we need a "taste" to see how much we have to learn. >After > > a > > > discovery experience with a trained and sensitive instructor, >sometimes > > > individuals can then have a better appreciation for the preparation >that > > > they > > > will need before continuing dive training. > > > Everyone deserves to have the chance to learn and be a "guppie." Most >of > > the > > > divers on this list will likely recall less than graceful times in >their > > > past. > > > When new divers are nurtured, they often blossom into wonderful, >talented > > > and > > > carfeul technical divers. Sometimes they don't. We all deserve a right >to > > > try. > > > > > > Jill Heinerth > > > > > > Tom Mount wrote: > > > > > > > Jill > > > > Thanks I'm not on the list either but they copy stuff like this to >me, > > > > Imagined it would be something like that > > > > > > > > May I forward this to the list as some who read do not know better > > > > > > Tom Mount > > > CEO IAND Inc / IANTD > > > TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* > > > Please note my new eMail address > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon > > > <js_landon@ho*.co*> > > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > > > > Who was it that carried this 12 year old girl's double 95's to the >water > > > at > > > > Little River, her "motha"? Or was the girl 10? Show me the cavern >at > > > little > > > > river ( all 20 feet of it ) and then tell me why the doubles were >used > > for > > > a > > > > "single tank" course, and then the question I really have: Tom, why >is > > it > > > > that whenever real bullshit show up, your name is all over it, and >the > > > > Heinerths are right there as well? Why is it that you can give a > > straight > > > > answer to a question? > > > > > > > > I've got news for you , pal. Our sport is not here for you to screw >up > > and > > > > try to extricate a buck out of. You have clowns like Garret Wineberg > > > > teaching open water while on a rebreather, and now this. What next? > > > > > > > > 10 dives and 12 years old - Bravo, Tom, you've hit a new low. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > > > To: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*> > > > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:30 AM > > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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