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wow, this means that IANTD is even more money hungry than "Put Another Dollar In" - PADI. >From: Kreska Jack-FJK003 <Jack.Kreska@mo*.co*> >To: "'Tom Mount'" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>, Jill Heinerth ><heinerth@gt*.ne*>, Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>, Trey ><trey@ne*.co*> >CC: cavers@cavers.com, a n <techdiver@aq*.co*> >Subject: RE: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:52:18 -0500 > >Wow! Even PADI requires the student to be Advanced Open Water and at least >15 years old for Cavern. > >Jack > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Mount [mailto:TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*] >Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 4:09 PM >To: Jill Heinerth; Scott Landon; Trey >Cc: cavers@cavers.com; a n >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > >No it is something you do not understand it is the truth > >By the way yes we do have an overhead course for 12 year olds cavern not >cave and not intro cave.They have to do it with their guardian and dive >with >the guardian who is most likely the parents or if the legal guardian >someone >they trust a lot. > >Would you rather that the parents just take their kids on these dives with >no training because they do when not given the ability to have them >trained. >and they are kept on OW gear. For many in central Florida and other similar >areas there is little option for diving if they do no go into a cavern > >I think you will find IANTD was not the first to offer this program and it >will not be the last. We usually lead in this case we followed but better >trained than just following the parents. No they cannot dive unsupervised, >yes we think this will prevent accidents. and it has been in the standards >for many years it is not new. > >Tom Mount >CEO IAND Inc / IANTD >TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* >Please note my new eMail address >----- Original Message ----- >From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> >To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon ><js_landon@ho*.co*>; <heinerth@gt*.ne*> >Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> >Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:57 PM >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > > > Tom, is this from that lying bitch who said she went 10 grand at Wakulla >, > > "World Record Jill"? Oh, I believe her. We all do. Tell her to get a new >set > > of wheels for her mobile home and drag it to Arkansas with the rest of >the > > liars. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*> > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:40 PM > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > This can be forwarded to the list since it represents the accurate > > picture: > > > > > > The student at Little River under private instruction from Paul >Heinerth > > was > > > "interested" in the possibility of cave training and diving double >tanks. > > > She > > > is very petite, but 25 years old. She did an orientation dive in the >open > > > water > > > at Little River on the double tanks and some preliminary cavern swims >with > > a > > > reel down to the permanent guideline and back a couple of times. She > > carried > > > her own doubles up and down the steps at Little River and with the > > guidnace > > > of > > > her instructor and fiance chose to delay continued training until she >had > > an > > > opportunity to spend some time at the gym preparing to carry double >tanks. > > > She > > > was quite sore after the day's activities. > > > I hope everyone recalls how challenging it can be when starting >anything > > new > > > in > > > life. Sometimes we need a "taste" to see how much we have to learn. >After > > a > > > discovery experience with a trained and sensitive instructor, >sometimes > > > individuals can then have a better appreciation for the preparation >that > > > they > > > will need before continuing dive training. > > > Everyone deserves to have the chance to learn and be a "guppie." Most >of > > the > > > divers on this list will likely recall less than graceful times in >their > > > past. > > > When new divers are nurtured, they often blossom into wonderful, >talented > > > and > > > carfeul technical divers. Sometimes they don't. We all deserve a right >to > > > try. > > > > > > Jill Heinerth > > > > > > Tom Mount wrote: > > > > > > > Jill > > > > Thanks I'm not on the list either but they copy stuff like this to >me, > > > > Imagined it would be something like that > > > > > > > > May I forward this to the list as some who read do not know better > > > > > > Tom Mount > > > CEO IAND Inc / IANTD > > > TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* > > > Please note my new eMail address > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon > > > <js_landon@ho*.co*> > > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > > > > Who was it that carried this 12 year old girl's double 95's to the >water > > > at > > > > Little River, her "motha"? Or was the girl 10? Show me the cavern >at > > > little > > > > river ( all 20 feet of it ) and then tell me why the doubles were >used > > for > > > a > > > > "single tank" course, and then the question I really have: Tom, why >is > > it > > > > that whenever real bullshit show up, your name is all over it, and >the > > > > Heinerths are right there as well? Why is it that you can give a > > straight > > > > answer to a question? > > > > > > > > I've got news for you , pal. Our sport is not here for you to screw >up > > and > > > > try to extricate a buck out of. You have clowns like Garret Wineberg > > > > teaching open water while on a rebreather, and now this. What next? > > > > > > > > 10 dives and 12 years old - Bravo, Tom, you've hit a new low. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > > > To: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*> > > > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:30 AM > > > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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