Wow! Even PADI requires the student to be Advanced Open Water and at least
15 years old for Cavern.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Mount [mailto:TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 4:09 PM
To: Jill Heinerth; Scott Landon; Trey
Cc: cavers@cavers.com; a n
Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina


No it is something you do not understand it is the truth

By the way yes we do have an overhead course for 12 year olds cavern not
cave and not intro cave.They have to do it with their guardian and dive with
the guardian who is most likely the parents or if the legal guardian someone
they trust a lot.

Would you rather that  the parents just take their kids on these dives with
no training because they do when not given the ability to have them trained.
and they are kept on OW gear. For many in central Florida and other similar
areas there is little option for diving if they do no go into a cavern

I think you will find IANTD was not the first to offer this program and it
will not be the last. We usually lead in this case we followed but better
trained than just following the parents. No they cannot dive unsupervised,
yes we think this will prevent accidents. and it has been in the standards
for many years it is not new.

Tom Mount
CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
Please note my new eMail address
----- Original Message -----
From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon
<js_landon@ho*.co*>; <heinerth@gt*.ne*>
Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina


> Tom, is this from that lying bitch who said she went 10 grand at Wakulla ,
> "World Record Jill"? Oh, I believe her. We all do. Tell her to get a new
set
> of wheels for her mobile home and drag it  to Arkansas with the rest of
the
> liars.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE fact vs dilemina
>
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > This can be forwarded to the list since it represents the accurate
> picture:
> >
> > The student at Little River under private instruction from Paul Heinerth
> was
> > "interested" in the possibility of cave training and diving double
tanks.
> > She
> > is very petite, but 25 years old. She did an orientation dive in the
open
> > water
> > at Little River on the double tanks and some preliminary cavern swims
with
> a
> > reel down to the permanent guideline and back a couple of times. She
> carried
> > her own doubles up and down the steps at Little River and with the
> guidnace
> > of
> > her instructor and fiance chose to delay continued training until she
had
> an
> > opportunity to spend some time at the gym preparing to carry double
tanks.
> > She
> > was quite sore after the day's activities.
> > I hope everyone recalls how challenging it can be when starting anything
> new
> > in
> > life. Sometimes we need a "taste" to see how much we have to learn.
After
> a
> > discovery experience with a trained and sensitive instructor, sometimes
> > individuals can then have a better appreciation for the preparation that
> > they
> > will need before continuing dive training.
> > Everyone deserves to have the chance to learn and be a "guppie." Most of
> the
> > divers on this list will likely recall less than graceful times in their
> > past.
> > When new divers are nurtured, they often blossom into wonderful,
talented
> > and
> > carfeul technical divers. Sometimes they don't. We all deserve a right
to
> > try.
> >
> > Jill Heinerth
> >
> > Tom Mount wrote:
> >
> > > Jill
> > > Thanks I'm not on the list either but they copy stuff like this to me,
> > > Imagined it would be something like that
> > >
> > > May I forward this to the list as some who read do not know better
> >
> > Tom Mount
> > CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
> > TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
> > Please note my new eMail address
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon
> > <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> >
> >
> > > Who was it that carried this 12 year old girl's double 95's to the
water
> > at
> > > Little River, her "motha"?  Or was the girl 10? Show me the cavern at
> > little
> > > river ( all 20 feet of it ) and then tell me why the doubles were used
> for
> > a
> > > "single tank" course, and then the question I really have: Tom, why is
> it
> > > that whenever real bullshit show up, your name is all over it, and the
> > > Heinerths are right there as well? Why is it that you can give a
> straight
> > > answer to a question?
> > >
> > > I've got news for you , pal. Our sport is not here for you to screw up
> and
> > > try to extricate a buck out of. You have clowns like Garret Wineberg
> > > teaching open water while on a rebreather, and now this. What next?
> > >
> > > 10 dives and 12 years old - Bravo, Tom, you've hit a new low.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > > To: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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