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I checked with Paul and Jill on the 12 yeard old at LR and as usual with you guys the real story is different, but that has never mattered to you but for those truly interested read below Give me a break.... That is hilarious. Yes, it is true that Paul had a student at Little River last week and that she is interested in pursuing cave diving instruction but that is about it.... The student is 25 years old, but very petite (around 100 pounds). She was trying doubles for the first time in the large open water area and the mouth of the CAVERN. She was wearing double HP 80 cylinders and after her orientation decided that she is not ready for doubles yet. I have no doubt that eventually she will work out in the gym enough to manage the equipment, but sometimes we just have to allow people try to let them know that they need to take baby steps. She was in good hands in a PRIVATE instruction situation with her instructor Paul and her fiancé (who is a fully certified cave and trimix diver). Jill Tom Mount CEO IAND Inc / IANTD TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* Please note my new eMail address ----- Original Message ----- From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*> Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:37 AM Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > Who was it that carried this 12 year old girl's double 95's to the water at > Little River, her "motha"? Or was the girl 10? Show me the cavern at little > river ( all 20 feet of it ) and then tell me why the doubles were used for a > "single tank" course, and then the question I really have: Tom, why is it > that whenever real bullshit show up, your name is all over it, and the > Heinerths are right there as well? Why is it that you can give a straight > answer to a question? > > I've got news for you , pal. Our sport is not here for you to screw up and > try to extricate a buck out of. You have clowns like Garret Wineberg > teaching open water while on a rebreather, and now this. What next? > > 10 dives and 12 years old - Bravo, Tom, you've hit a new low. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > To: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*> > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > Over head environment is not cave it is a single cylinder course and the > > guardians take the course with the student > > > > Tom Mount > > CEO IAND Inc / IANTD > > TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* > > Please note my new eMail address > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*> > > To: <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; <trey@ne*.co*> > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > okay, tom, then what the fuck is this from your website. 12 years old > > right > > > there in black and white. you sound like clinton trying to argue the > > > difference between cavern/wreck penetration and cave diving. 12 year > olds > > > have no business doing anything on scuba other than 30-40 reef dives > with > > > their parents. you must just enjoy lawsuits. > > > > > > Overhead Environment Diver and EANx Overhead Environment Diver > > > > > > Purpose > > > This Program is designed to develop wreck and cavern diving skills > within > > > the limits of light penetration and to insure that divers are aware of > > > self-responsibility and capable of risk management in overhead > > environments. > > > The Program may be taught using either air or EANx. > > > If combined with the IANTD EANx Diver Program, or if the student is > > already > > > qualified as an IANTD EANx Diver, the student may use a mixture of EANx > in > > > the range of 21% through 40% oxygen. > > > If combined with the IANTD Advanced EANx Diver Program, or if the > student > > is > > > already qualified as an IANTD Advanced EANx Diver, the student may use a > > > mixture of EANx in the range of 21% through 40% oxygen as a dive gas, > and > > > safety or required decompression stops may involve EANx mixtures of up > to > > > 50% oxygen. > > > Prerequisites > > > Must be qualified as an IANTD Advanced Open Water Diver or equivalent. > > > Must provide proof of a minimum of 10 logged dives. > > > Must be a minimum of 15 years of age with a parent or guardian > > > authorization, or a minimum of 12 years of age for Junior Diver > > > qualification, or a minimum of 18 years of age without guardian > approval. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > > >Reply-To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > > >To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*> > > > >CC: <techdiver@aq*.co*>, <cavers@cavers.com> > > > >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:28:03 -0400 > > > > > > > >IANTD does not have acourse to teach 12 year olds to cave dive > > > > > > > >Cave Diver and Technical Cave Diver > > > >. > > > >B. Prerequisites > > > >1. If entering through modular route, must be qualified as Introductory > > > >Cave > > > >Diver with proof of a minimum of 50 logged dives. If taking the course > on > > a > > > >rebreather must have 35 dives logged on the rebreather > > > >2. To enter Technical Cave (Technical Diver) in addition to #1,must be > > > >qualified as an IANTD EANx or Advanced EANx Diver, or equivalent. > > > >3. Must be a minimum of 18 years of age. > > > >OR, if being accepted in the Program based on equivalent experience: > > > >4. Must be qualified as Advanced Open Water Diver or equivalent. > > > >5. Must provide proof of a minimum of 100 dives. > > > >6. Must be a minimum of 18 years of age. > > > > > > > >Tom Mount > > > >CEO IAND Inc / IANTD > > > >TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne* > > > >Please note my new eMail address > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > >To: <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*> > > > >Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> > > > >Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 6:33 AM > > > >Subject: Fw: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*> > > > > > Cc: Tech Diver <techdiver@aq*.co*>; Cavers List > > <cavers@cavers.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 6:55 AM > > > > > Subject: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, somebody has started a rumor that IANTD has a > > > > > > new course which teaches 12 year olds to cave dive. > > > > > > Could you please dispel this before some other > > > > > > idiots out there , like CDS , NACD or TDI, decide > > > > > > they are "missing a few bucks here" and decide to > > > > > > do the same thing? > > > > > > > > > > > > You must go crazy with all of the really stupid shit > > > > > > that people attribute to you on these lists - the > > > > > > real story is sick enough by itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > > >`techdiver@aq*.co*'. > > > > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > > >`techdiver-request@aq*.co*'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >
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