Tom, you are too much - putting out one horror story to deny another. This
is like " I was NOT buggering the dog, it was the cat". The FACT is you have
a bragging piece out there about "the youngest ever overhead diver" trained
by that fat slob Heinerth. So this case was just a hopelessly unqualified
diver, not a child, the "record" was the child. Good going - the usual
idiots at work. OR wait a minute, was this the mother of the child that you
had to train so she could go with the child according to your "standards" or
what?

How am I supposed to keep track of the bullshit you create? It is all so
ridiculous to me that I can not distinguish one dumb ass story from another,
and they are all so horrific and stupid that I have gotten used to believing
anything I hear about you and IANTD, and certainly there is nothing that the
Hienerrths could do that would surprise me at all.

Tom, I can not waste my time reading your stuff or that your web page or
IANTD "journal", so I have to rely on your members' reports. They are as
horrified as we are by this new direction you have taken. In fact, not one
of your thousands of instructors is stepping up and supporting this stuff
publicly.

Why is that? Where is that cc list of yours ( the who's not who of diving)
that you always send out when you get into one of these discussions. Bring
that on out so we can all get a huge laugh. I love that list. I actually
laugh out loud when I see that. Maybe you could get that idiot from Brazil
who calls me "Johnny Holmes" to come out and support it, you know the one
who told us that he could not possibly be narced at 375 on air - get that
dumb fuck out here to support your child program.


From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>
Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 (25)YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE


> I checked with Paul and Jill on the 12 yeard old at LR and as usual with
you
> guys the real story is different, but that has never mattered to you but
for
> those truly interested read below
>
>
> Give me a break....
>
> That is hilarious.
>
> Yes, it is true that Paul had a student at Little River last week and that
> she
> is interested in pursuing cave diving instruction but that is about it....
>
> The student is 25 years old, but very petite (around 100 pounds). She was
> trying doubles for the first time in the large open water area and the
mouth
> of
> the CAVERN. She was wearing double HP 80 cylinders and after her
orientation
> decided that she is not ready for doubles yet.
>
> I have no doubt that eventually she will work out in the gym enough to
> manage
> the equipment, but sometimes we just have to allow people try to let them
> know
> that they need to take baby steps. She was in good hands in a PRIVATE
> instruction situation with her instructor Paul and her fiancé (who is a
> fully
> certified cave and trimix diver).
>
> Jill
>
> Tom Mount
> CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
> TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
> Please note my new eMail address
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; Scott Landon
> <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
>
>
> > Who was it that carried this 12 year old girl's double 95's to the water
> at
> > Little River, her "motha"?  Or was the girl 10? Show me the cavern at
> little
> > river ( all 20 feet of it ) and then tell me why the doubles were used
for
> a
> > "single tank" course, and then the question I really have: Tom, why is
it
> > that whenever real bullshit show up, your name is all over it, and the
> > Heinerths are right there as well? Why is it that you can give a
straight
> > answer to a question?
> >
> > I've got news for you , pal. Our sport is not here for you to screw up
and
> > try to extricate a buck out of. You have clowns like Garret Wineberg
> > teaching open water while on a rebreather, and now this. What next?
> >
> > 10 dives and 12 years old - Bravo, Tom, you've hit a new low.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > To: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>
> > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> >
> >
> > > Over head environment is not cave it is a single cylinder course and
the
> > > guardians take the course with the student
> > >
> > > Tom Mount
> > > CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
> > > TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
> > > Please note my new eMail address
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Landon <js_landon@ho*.co*>
> > > To: <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>; <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:26 AM
> > > Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > >
> > >
> > > > okay, tom, then what the fuck is this from your website.  12 years
old
> > > right
> > > > there in black and white.  you sound like clinton trying to argue
the
> > > > difference between cavern/wreck penetration and cave diving.  12
year
> > olds
> > > > have no business doing anything on scuba other than 30-40 reef dives
> > with
> > > > their parents.  you must just enjoy lawsuits.
> > > >
> > > > Overhead Environment Diver and EANx Overhead Environment Diver
> > > >
> > > > Purpose
> > > > This Program is designed to develop wreck and cavern diving skills
> > within
> > > > the limits of light penetration and to insure that divers are aware
of
> > > > self-responsibility and capable of risk management in overhead
> > > environments.
> > > > The Program may be taught using either air or EANx.
> > > > If combined with the IANTD EANx Diver Program, or if the student is
> > > already
> > > > qualified as an IANTD EANx Diver, the student may use a mixture of
> EANx
> > in
> > > > the range of 21% through 40% oxygen.
> > > > If combined with the IANTD Advanced EANx Diver Program, or if the
> > student
> > > is
> > > > already qualified as an IANTD Advanced EANx Diver, the student may
use
> a
> > > > mixture of EANx in the range of 21% through 40% oxygen as a dive
gas,
> > and
> > > > safety or required decompression stops may involve EANx mixtures of
up
> > to
> > > > 50% oxygen.
> > > > Prerequisites
> > > > Must be qualified as an IANTD Advanced Open Water Diver or
equivalent.
> > > > Must provide proof of a minimum of 10 logged dives.
> > > > Must be a minimum of 15 years of age with a parent or guardian
> > > > authorization, or a minimum of 12 years of age for Junior Diver
> > > > qualification, or a minimum of 18 years of age without guardian
> > approval.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > > > >Reply-To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > > > >To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > >CC: <techdiver@aq*.co*>, <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > > > >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:28:03 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >IANTD does not have acourse to teach 12 year olds to cave dive
> > > > >
> > > > >Cave Diver and Technical Cave Diver
> > > > >.
> > > > >B. Prerequisites
> > > > >1. If entering through modular route, must be qualified as
> Introductory
> > > > >Cave
> > > > >Diver with proof of a minimum of 50 logged dives. If taking the
> course
> > on
> > > a
> > > > >rebreather must have 35 dives logged on the rebreather
> > > > >2. To enter Technical Cave (Technical Diver) in addition to #1,must
> be
> > > > >qualified as an IANTD EANx or Advanced EANx Diver, or equivalent.
> > > > >3. Must be a minimum of 18 years of age.
> > > > >OR, if being accepted in the Program based on equivalent
experience:
> > > > >4. Must be qualified as Advanced Open Water Diver or equivalent.
> > > > >5. Must provide proof of a minimum of 100 dives.
> > > > >6. Must be a minimum of 18 years of age.
> > > > >
> > > > >Tom Mount
> > > > >CEO IAND Inc / IANTD
> > > > >TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*
> > > > >Please note my new eMail address
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > >To: <TOM.MOUNT@in*.at*.ne*>
> > > > >Cc: <techdiver@aq*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 6:33 AM
> > > > >Subject: Fw: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > > Cc: Tech Diver <techdiver@aq*.co*>; Cavers List
> > > <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 6:55 AM
> > > > > > Subject: TEACHING 12 YEAR OLDS TO CAVE DIVE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom, somebody has started a rumor that IANTD has a
> > > > > > > new course which teaches 12 year olds to cave dive.
> > > > > > > Could you please dispel this before some other
> > > > > > > idiots out there , like CDS , NACD or TDI,  decide
> > > > > > > they are "missing a few bucks here"  and decide to
> > > > > > > do the same thing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You must go crazy with all of the really stupid shit
> > > > > > > that people attribute to you on these lists - the
> > > > > > > real story is sick enough by itself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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