This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03F7_01BFA191.E92AF660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable why don't you explain it on the list then, tough guy ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Metcalf=20 To: pina=20 Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Rennaker Poll it's just not worth it to explain it to someone such as you!=20 pina wrote:=20 NO, NO, NO -- none of the above I think that this question not given = it's true justice by confining itself to this forum. Most people in this = world know nothing about cave diving. They generally believe it is a = dangerous activity, but can have no appreciation of what is involved = without going through a cave class themselves. Even so, it would = certainly have to be a general consensus to anyone who was thinking at = all to agree that someone who has had a heart attack, is obese (obvious = predisposer to heart attacks), or hashad a stroke to be a cave = instructor. My father is by no stretch of the imagination obese or even = fat, but he has had a heart attack. He knows nothing about cave diving, = like most of the population of the world. The only thing that keeps him = able to deal with the fact that I do it is the comfort of knowing that = the people I am diving with are well beyond just having "an instructor = certification card". After his heart attack he closely monitors his = diet to avoid high-cholesterol foods and such, went on a strict exercise = regimen, quit smoking immediately, and STILL had two other smaller heart = attacks WELL AFTER being on the completely right track for years. He is = constantly avoiding stressful situations of all kinds, is disciplined = and aware, and is still at risk of a repeat. Having had a heart attack = he would definitely never tolerate me cave diving with someone who has = had a heart attack, is obese or has had a stroke. Anyone who would is = crazy. I can't follow the logic. Um let's see: "These people are = walking time bombs, let's put them completely in charge of other peoples = lives in a potentially extremely physically, psychologically, and = emotionally stressful situation. Sure, they could have another heart = attack at any minute but, they have been "cleared" so_ sign_me_up = ???"what ? Mike, you should ask anyone and everyone this question.Nobody = can argue the obvious and not look like a fool. -- Pina Rosana Porceddu = ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Bruic To: cavers@cavers.com Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Rennaker Poll I have a simple question for "all" the members of this list. = Would you, or would you not let someone who is obese, had a heart attack = and/or stroke take a child or loved one of yours into a cave for = instruction? All that is needed in your reply is a "yes" or "no". Please = feel free however to make any other comments for or against that you = wish too. Bruic ------=_NextPart_000_03F7_01BFA191.E92AF660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>why don't you explain it on the list then, tough = guy=20 ?</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:Scubajon@mi*.co*" = title=3DScubajon@mi*.co*>John=20 Metcalf</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:pina@ac*.or*"=20 title=3Dpina@ac*.or*>pina</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 07, 2000 = 9:46=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rennaker = Poll</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>it's just not worth it to explain it to someone such as = you!=20 <P>pina wrote:=20 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE"> <STYLE></STYLE> <FONT face=3DArial>NO, NO, NO -- none of the above</FONT> <FONT = face=3DArial>I think that this question not given it's true justice = by=20 confining itself to this forum.</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial>Most = people in=20 this world know nothing about cave diving. They generally = believe it=20 is a dangerous activity, but can have no appreciation of what is = involved=20 without going through a cave class themselves. Even so, it = would=20 certainly have to be a general consensus to anyone who was thinking = at all=20 to agree that someone who has had a heart attack, is obese (obvious=20 predisposer to heart attacks), or has</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>had a = stroke to=20 be a cave instructor.</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial>My father is by = no=20 stretch of the imagination obese or even fat, but he has had a heart = attack. He knows nothing about cave diving, like most of the=20 population of the world. The only thing that keeps him able to = deal=20 with the fact that I do it is the comfort of knowing that the people = I am=20 diving with are well beyond just having "an instructor certification = card". After his heart attack he closely monitors his diet to = avoid=20 high-cholesterol foods and such, went on a strict exercise regimen, = quit=20 smoking immediately, and STILL had two other smaller heart attacks = WELL=20 AFTER being on the completely right track for years. He is = constantly=20 avoiding stressful situations of all kinds, is disciplined and = aware, and is=20 still at risk of a repeat.</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial>Having had = a heart=20 attack he would definitely never tolerate me cave diving with = someone who=20 has had a heart attack, is obese or has had a stroke. Anyone = who would=20 is crazy. I can't follow the logic. Um let's see: = "These=20 people are walking time bombs, let's put them completely in charge = of other=20 peoples lives in a potentially extremely physically, = psychologically, and=20 emotionally stressful situation. Sure, they could have another = heart=20 attack at any minute but, they have been "cleared" so_ sign_me_up=20 ???"</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>what ?</FONT> <FONT = face=3DArial>Mike, you=20 should ask anyone and everyone this question.</FONT><FONT = face=3DArial>Nobody=20 can argue the obvious and not look like a fool.</FONT> <FONT=20 face=3DArial>-- Pina Rosana Porceddu</FONT> ----- = Original Message=20 -----=20 <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*"=20 title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic</A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com"=20 title=3Dcavers@cavers.com>cavers@cavers.com</A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 06, = 2000 6:37=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Rennaker = Poll</DIV> I=20 have a simple question for "all" the members of this list. Would = you, or=20 would you not let someone who is obese, had a heart attack and/or = stroke=20 take a child or loved one of yours into a cave for instruction? = All that=20 is needed in your reply is a "yes" or "no". Please feel free = however to=20 make any other comments for or against that you wish=20 too. Bruic</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HT ML> ------=_NextPart_000_03F7_01BFA191.E92AF660-- _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
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