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why don't you explain it on the list then, tough guy ?
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From: John Metcalf=20
To: pina=20
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Rennaker Poll
it's just not worth it to explain it to someone such as you!=20
pina wrote:=20
NO, NO, NO -- none of the above I think that this question not given =
it's true justice by confining itself to this forum. Most people in this =
world know nothing about cave diving. They generally believe it is a =
dangerous activity, but can have no appreciation of what is involved =
without going through a cave class themselves. Even so, it would =
certainly have to be a general consensus to anyone who was thinking at =
all to agree that someone who has had a heart attack, is obese (obvious =
predisposer to heart attacks), or hashad a stroke to be a cave =
instructor. My father is by no stretch of the imagination obese or even =
fat, but he has had a heart attack. He knows nothing about cave diving, =
like most of the population of the world. The only thing that keeps him =
able to deal with the fact that I do it is the comfort of knowing that =
the people I am diving with are well beyond just having "an instructor =
certification card". After his heart attack he closely monitors his =
diet to avoid high-cholesterol foods and such, went on a strict exercise =
regimen, quit smoking immediately, and STILL had two other smaller heart =
attacks WELL AFTER being on the completely right track for years. He is =
constantly avoiding stressful situations of all kinds, is disciplined =
and aware, and is still at risk of a repeat. Having had a heart attack =
he would definitely never tolerate me cave diving with someone who has =
had a heart attack, is obese or has had a stroke. Anyone who would is =
crazy. I can't follow the logic. Um let's see: "These people are =
walking time bombs, let's put them completely in charge of other peoples =
lives in a potentially extremely physically, psychologically, and =
emotionally stressful situation. Sure, they could have another heart =
attack at any minute but, they have been "cleared" so_ sign_me_up =
???"what ? Mike, you should ask anyone and everyone this question.Nobody =
can argue the obvious and not look like a fool. -- Pina Rosana Porceddu =
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mike Bruic
To: cavers@cavers.com
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 6:37 PM
Subject: Rennaker Poll
I have a simple question for "all" the members of this list. =
Would you, or would you not let someone who is obese, had a heart attack =
and/or stroke take a child or loved one of yours into a cave for =
instruction? All that is needed in your reply is a "yes" or "no". Please =
feel free however to make any other comments for or against that you =
wish too. Bruic
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>why don't you explain it on the list then, tough =
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<A href=3D"mailto:Scubajon@mi*.co*" =
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Metcalf</A> </DIV>
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title=3Dpina@ac*.or*>pina</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 07, 2000 =
9:46=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rennaker =
Poll</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>it's just not worth it to explain it to someone such
as =
you!=20
<P>pina wrote:=20
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<FONT face=3DArial>NO, NO, NO -- none of the
above</FONT> <FONT =
face=3DArial>I think that this question not given it's true justice =
by=20
confining itself to this forum.</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial>Most =
people in=20
this world know nothing about cave diving. They generally =
believe it=20
is a dangerous activity, but can have no appreciation of what is =
involved=20
without going through a cave class themselves. Even so, it =
would=20
certainly have to be a general consensus to anyone who was thinking =
at all=20
to agree that someone who has had a heart attack, is obese (obvious=20
predisposer to heart attacks), or has</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>had a =
stroke to=20
be a cave instructor.</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial>My father is by =
no=20
stretch of the imagination obese or even fat, but he has had a heart =
attack. He knows nothing about cave diving, like most of the=20
population of the world. The only thing that keeps him able to =
deal=20
with the fact that I do it is the comfort of knowing that the people =
I am=20
diving with are well beyond just having "an instructor certification =
card". After his heart attack he closely monitors his diet to =
avoid=20
high-cholesterol foods and such, went on a strict exercise regimen, =
quit=20
smoking immediately, and STILL had two other smaller heart attacks =
WELL=20
AFTER being on the completely right track for years. He is =
constantly=20
avoiding stressful situations of all kinds, is disciplined and =
aware, and is=20
still at risk of a repeat.</FONT> <FONT face=3DArial>Having had =
a heart=20
attack he would definitely never tolerate me cave diving with =
someone who=20
has had a heart attack, is obese or has had a stroke. Anyone =
who would=20
is crazy. I can't follow the logic. Um let's see: =
"These=20
people are walking time bombs, let's put them completely in charge =
of other=20
peoples lives in a potentially extremely physically, =
psychologically, and=20
emotionally stressful situation. Sure, they could have another =
heart=20
attack at any minute but, they have been "cleared" so_ sign_me_up=20
???"</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>what ?</FONT> <FONT =
face=3DArial>Mike, you=20
should ask anyone and everyone this question.</FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial>Nobody=20
can argue the obvious and not look like a fool.</FONT> <FONT=20
face=3DArial>-- Pina Rosana Porceddu</FONT> ----- =
Original Message=20
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<A href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*"=20
title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic</A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com"=20
title=3Dcavers@cavers.com>cavers@cavers.com</A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 06,
=
2000 6:37=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Rennaker =
Poll</DIV> I=20
have a simple question for "all" the members of this list. Would =
you, or=20
would you not let someone who is obese, had a heart attack and/or =
stroke=20
take a child or loved one of yours into a cave for instruction? =
All that=20
is needed in your reply is a "yes" or "no". Please feel free =
however to=20
make any other comments for or against that you wish=20
too. Bruic</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HT
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