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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B3_01BFA073.9C9BC280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NO, NO, NO -- none of the above I think that this question not given it's true justice by confining = itself to this forum. Most people in this world know nothing about cave diving. They = generally believe it is a dangerous activity, but can have no = appreciation of what is involved without going through a cave class = themselves. Even so, it would certainly have to be a general consensus = to anyone who was thinking at all to agree that someone who has had a = heart attack, is obese (obvious predisposer to heart attacks), or has=20 had a stroke to be a cave instructor. My father is by no stretch of the imagination obese or even fat, but he = has had a heart attack. He knows nothing about cave diving, like most = of the population of the world. The only thing that keeps him able to = deal with the fact that I do it is the comfort of knowing that the = people I am diving with are well beyond just having "an instructor = certification card". After his heart attack he closely monitors his = diet to avoid high-cholesterol foods and such, went on a strict exercise = regimen, quit smoking immediately, and STILL had two other smaller heart = attacks WELL AFTER being on the completely right track for years. He is = constantly avoiding stressful situations of all kinds, is disciplined = and aware, and is still at risk of a repeat. Having had a heart attack he would definitely never tolerate me cave = diving with someone who has had a heart attack, is obese or has had a = stroke. Anyone who would is crazy. I can't follow the logic. Um let's = see: "These people are walking time bombs, let's put them completely in = charge of other peoples lives in a potentially extremely physically, = psychologically, and emotionally stressful situation. Sure, they could = have another heart attack at any minute but, they have been "cleared" = so_ sign_me_up ???" what ? Mike, you should ask anyone and everyone this question. =20 Nobody can argue the obvious and not look like a fool. -- Pina Rosana Porceddu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Bruic=20 To: cavers@cavers.com=20 Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Rennaker Poll I have a simple question for "all" the members of this list. Would = you, or would you not let someone who is obese, had a heart attack = and/or stroke take a child or loved one of yours into a cave for = instruction? All that is needed in your reply is a "yes" or "no". Please = feel free however to make any other comments for or against that you = wish too. Bruic=20 ------=_NextPart_000_02B3_01BFA073.9C9BC280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>NO, NO, NO -- none of the above</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I think that this question not given it's true = justice by=20 confining itself to this forum.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Most people in this world know nothing about = cave=20 diving. They generally believe it is a dangerous activity, but can = have no=20 appreciation of what is involved without going through a cave class=20 themselves. Even so, it would certainly have to be a general = consensus to=20 anyone who was thinking at all to agree that someone who has had a heart = attack,=20 is obese (obvious predisposer to heart attacks), or has </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>had a stroke to be a cave = instructor.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My father is by no stretch of the imagination = obese or=20 even fat, but he has had a heart attack. He knows nothing about = cave=20 diving, like most of the population of the world. The only thing = that=20 keeps him able to deal with the fact that I do it is the comfort of = knowing=20 that the people I am diving with are well beyond just having "an = instructor=20 certification card". After his heart attack he closely monitors = his diet=20 to avoid high-cholesterol foods and such, went on a strict exercise = regimen,=20 quit smoking immediately, and STILL had two other smaller heart=20 attacks WELL AFTER being on the completely right track for = years. He=20 is constantly avoiding stressful situations of all kinds, is disciplined = and=20 aware, and is still at risk of a repeat.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Having had a heart attack he would definitely = never=20 tolerate me cave diving with someone who has had a heart attack, is = obese or has=20 had a stroke. Anyone who would is crazy. I can't follow the=20 logic. Um let's see: "These people are walking time bombs, = let's put=20 them completely in charge of other peoples lives in a potentially = extremely=20 physically, psychologically, and emotionally stressful situation. = Sure,=20 they could have another heart attack at any minute but, they have been = "cleared"=20 so_ sign_me_up ???"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>what ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Mike, you should ask anyone and everyone this=20 question. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Nobody can argue the obvious and not look like a = fool.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>-- Pina Rosana Porceddu</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*" = title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike=20 Bruic</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com"=20 title=3Dcavers@cavers.com>cavers@cavers.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 06, 2000 = 6:37=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Rennaker Poll</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I have a simple question for "all" the members of this list. = Would you,=20 or would you not let someone who is obese, had a heart attack and/or = stroke=20 take a child or loved one of yours into a cave for instruction? All = that is=20 needed in your reply is a "yes" or "no". Please feel free however to = make any=20 other comments for or against that you wish too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bruic </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_02B3_01BFA073.9C9BC280-- _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
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