Trey , 


What kind of trianing routine do you have ? How meny times a week ect...



At 03:16 PM 4/7/2000 -0400, Trey wrote:
>Dan, my VO2 Max is 65 ml/kg , not 50 . I am almost 50 years old - so
>maybe you got that number confused with my Vo2 max - you were there when
>they tested me. Now it may be even higher, since I came down from 195 to
>about 185 without losing any strength, and that last test was before I
>even began training for Ironman.
>
>I like the correlation betewen VO2 max and decompresion success. As you
>know, I did 370 minutes BT at Wakulla last Saturday and did 7:40 of deco
>only. That is called being in shape.
>
>Dan L. Volker wrote:
>> 
>> `35 ml /kg of body weight is average for a college aged person who is
>> physically active in sports, but not in any elite category. The same
>aged  nerd who lays on the couch and watches TV may average 25 ml/kg,
>provided he is not a HFS.
>> 
>> Guys like George are around 50 ml/kg
>> 
>> Elite, Olympic level cross country skiers average the highest, with around
>> 70-75 ml/kg of body weight.
>> 
>> A guy with a body fat over 30%, particularly if sedentary, would be
>> fortunate to reach 10 or 15 ml/kg.
>> 
>> VO2 max will predict the physical exertion potential of a diver, and the
>> existence of a high VO2 max will correlate to an increased ability to off
>> gas in deco---not by the VO2 max itself, but by the peripheral adaptations
>> which the training created---the training led to the high VO2 max.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Samy Elashmawy [mailto:samelash@ix*.ne*.co*]
>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 5:28 AM
>> To: Dan L. Volker; trey@ne*.co*; 'Geoff Kelafant'
>> Cc: 'Tom Mount'; 'Mike Bruic'; cavers@cavers.com
>> Subject: RE: Madison diving
>> 
>> At 04:37 PM 4/6/2000 -0400, Dan L. Volker wrote:
>> >Sounds like a good time to discuss MANDATORY VO2 Max testing, with
>> 
>> Would you be kind enough to explian what there are , and where they are on
>> the scale relative to the average person ? No flaming , I am genuanly
>> interested .
>> 
>> Volker ? didn't we have a dive fitness discussion ?
>> 
>> >instructor minimums around 30 ml/kg of body weight.
>> >Sure the test would be a cost and a time problem for some, but when these
>> >instructors are "Responsible" for the lives they lead into a cave, this is
>> >the least they can do to certify a likelihood they will be still be alive
>> to
>> >lead the students back after each dive. From what I have heard about
>> >Rennaker, it sounds like he would be closer to 5 or 10 ml./kg if he had no
>> >heart condition, and now that he has had an incident ( even though
>> >supposedly fixed) , he may be lower still.
>> >
>> >Dan Volker
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
>> >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:41 PM
>> >To: Geoff Kelafant
>> >Cc: Tom Mount; Mike Bruic; cavers@cavers.com
>> >Subject: Re: Madison diving
>> >
>> >
>> >Geoff, good points, obvoiusly Bruic is dead right and standing up for
>> >it, and Tom is dead wrong and once again proving it.
>> >
>> >
>> >Geoff Kelafant wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What absurdity.  "Right to work", ADA and all that other stuff doesn't
>> >apply
>> >> if someone isn't otherwise qualified for the job in particular.
>> Actually,
>> >> since none of the instructors really "work" for IANTD/CDS etc. anyway, I
>> >> don't think any of this really applies.
>> >>
>> >> If it did, you would need to provide the examining physician with a
>> >detailed
>> >> description of what his "job" actually was and what the physical demands
>> >> are.  In this case the physician should be someone well versed in diving
>> >> medicine and the particular physical demands involved, not some guy who
>> is
>> >> getting the wool pulled over his eyes or practices in the local doc in a
>> >> box.  I'm in the occupational medicine business and one thing I've
>> learned
>> >> is that patients are rarely fully truthful when their "career" is on the
>> >> line.  Most physicians are poorly prepared or unwilling to address
>> >> occupational issues and even fewer have even a vague idea of the
cardiac,
>> >> pulmonary and other stresses unique to diving.  A simple "note from the
>> >> doctor", a doctor whose qualifications are totally unknown to you is
>> >simply
>> >> unacceptable.
>> >>
>> >> I am interested in whatever a "fitness renewal program" entails.  Is it
>> >> simply a note or form?  Do they actually have to do something like a
>> >stress
>> >> test, running, biking,  swimming, etc.  Hmm... must be the IANTD
>> >instructors
>> >> I've seen were midcycle or in the remedial fitness program.
>> >>
>> >> When one of your instructors has a terminal event during training and
>> >takes
>> >> someone with him, I wonder what will happen?
>> >>
>> >> Geoff Kelafant MD MSPH FACOEM
>> >> Board Certified Occupational Medicine
>> >> US Navy Diving Medical Officer
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>> >> To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>> >> Cc: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 10:48 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Madison diving
>> >>
>> >> > Tom, this is the kind of duck I would expect from you. Rennaker is a
>> >> > ridiculous fat slob - he just had a heart attack ( gee, I wonder
>> why? ),
>> >> > and his "right to work" is C R A P. The asshole retired from his
>> factory
>> >> > job over ten years ago, and is teaching diving on the side.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nice try, Tom.
>> >> >
>> >> > You and your organization do not know what the the word "fitness"
>> means,
>> >> > and the fact is that I will bet you that Rennaker's heart rate will
not
>> >> > drop the requisite bare minimum 12 beats per minute in one minute from
>> >> > exertion levels that is the known marker standard for predicting  a
>> >> > reasonable risk of less chance of a heart attack, let alone the 20 bpm
>> >> > "comfort" level for a low risk , or the 60 bpm that my heart rate
>> drops.
>> >> > Forget that he is a fat slob who already had a heart attack.
>> >> >
>> >> > If Rennaker kills somebody now, you , the "doctor" and everyone
else is
>> >> > going to lose - it is too obvious that this guy does not need to be
>> >> > doing this any more, and in my opinion, he never did.
>> >> >
>> >> > Prospective dive students have a "right" to a fit instructor, Tom, and
>> >> > you are behaving badly for tolerating and promoting this.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom Mount wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > To both of you
>> >> > >
>> >> > > All instructors with IANTD have to complete a MD medical and be
>> signed
>> >> off
>> >> > > anytime their is a major illness. Bill has completed that. Bill also
>> >did
>> >> the
>> >> > > fitness swim requirements as well.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Now I'm sure if you would like to legally challenge the doctor for
>> >> signing
>> >> > > him off you can do so. But remember there as a right to work law and
>> >you
>> >> may
>> >> > > wind up at the end of a lawsuit for you efforts from the MD and
Bill.
>> >> > > We are bound to accept the determination of the MD as to Bill's
>> >fitness.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Second IANTD unlike any other agency has a fitness renewal
program as
>> >> you
>> >> > > know Mike and each instructor must complete it to be renewed. No
>> other
>> >> > > agency including GUE does this.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This is BCC'ed to our lawyer and insurance.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Respectfully yours,
>> >> > > Tom Mount
>> >> > > CEO IANTD World HQ
>> >> > > http://www.iantd.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>> >> > > To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
>> >> > > Cc: <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:14 PM
>> >> > > Subject: Re: Madison diving
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Mike Bruic wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > George, here is a copy of the letter that went out to IANTD,
>> NACD,
>> >> and
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > > > NSS/CDS. It was sent certified, return receipt, and I have the
>> >> > > > > acknowledgments of receipt in my files. When Rennaker does
>> >fuck-up,
>> >> I
>> >> > > hope
>> >> > > > > this letter will help any attorney crucify these assholes.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Bruic
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >     Mike, you are pissing in the wind with Mount and the rest of
>> >these
>> >> > > > hand-holders. Send it to his insurance agent and to his attorney,
>> >Bill
>> >> > > > Turbeville. Turbeville and the insurance company will make him do
>> >the
>> >> > > > right thing. I'll get you the insurance agency address.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

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