Hey JT. You know, I have respect for the founding fathers but it is more than a matter of having lost the edge on their part. They failed to adopt better methods and lowered their standards which compromised their students. This, unpleasant as it is, has been a long time coming. The good old days of good old boys is going the way of the dinosaur. The CDS is no longer representative of the membership and has precipitated this. I've seen some of these guys down in Florida. They are bad and that affects us all. We are talking lives on the line here. Lives of students who don't know any better. The students are the innocent victims of this junk. The caves are also the victim of this junk. There are fine CDS members, as there are fine NACD members but we need a clean up. This also includes bullshit cavern classes taught by non caver divers in places that don't even have caves!! We know where that is, and it aint in Florida.
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