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I am not entering this debate for no other reason than to clear up my meaning of "Old timers" of which I have been using and was the first to do so. I think George and myself may be on the same page on many of the problems with tech diving as it is done today, the old timers I call them ( based on the number of years they have been diving 12 or more that have not changed at the same speed as diving has and are unwilling to change) I have not been diving but only 8 or 9 years, but have been doing 150 plus REAL dives a year. I first tried to copy the "old timer ways" and learned the hard way. You CANNOT master that way in a few years and run the risk of death to try and do so, But I cannot or will not degrade these guys as they are the founders of what I am doing. They were the guys who were DOING IT when nobody knew what to do. I give them the respect they deserve, but do not advise any new diver to copy them. In some cases to avoid them altogether so they are not tempted to copy them. I very much thank the "old timer" for doing things that no one else had the balls to try and I have learned from their every achievement and failure. There will be a day I'm sure that I will be called an "old timer" myself by the likes of the young and upcoming. You even met one George, remember the 16 yr old young man who came to FL with us. Brad Beskins if he sticks with it, will become the best diver I will ever know. You did not even know he was 16 until I told you. He knows as much as most of the tech guys DOING IT NOW. He is hard to hold back and when he turns 18 we will have a hard time stopping him from the really deep stuff. He does not have to train to be in shape like a 20 year old, HE IS! I have no doubt he will one day call me "old timer" and I hope it is with respect. We just need to keep him alive until that day. trey wrote: >Dustin, you "old timers" ( read "never beens", "has beens", "never will >bes" ) never cease to amaze me: for the last ten years I have listened >to you pathetic weenies brag about your pitiful little cave dives, I >have listened to you tell me my scooters are "toys", I have listened to >you tell me that "you were doing it before I was", and I have watched >all of you go noplace fast while I have been out there "doing it" and >you have been crying about it. > > What is wrong with this picture? Who am I to tell you how to DIR when >you have been DIW for so long, is that the problem? Are we a little >jealous that after all of those years of bullshit that the real thing >makes you look like Big Bird by way of conmparison? The fact is that >this is EXACTLY the problem - you look like mooks next to any WKPP setup >dive, forget the real thing - you can not exactly hold court and brag >about your 100 feet of line in Diepolder when we routinely smoke cave >10-18 THOUSAND feet into systems 300 feet deep and do it efficiently and >quickly. Makes you "old timers" all look pretty lame in the bragging >rights department. > > It is pretty shallow bullshit when you tell me that all of you big time >super divers could do it if you were allowed when I have to add line in >these systems that all of you had your chances at just to put down my >first stage bottle, and the Great Tech Hope of Cave Diving, the USDCT, >took 90 freaking days to make it as far as Ted Cole, John Rose, and >Chris Werner went Saturday to set up me and Jablsonki. Why is it that >after all of you big timers did your thing I was able to add line on >EVERY dive I EVER did in Leon Sinks since 1991? Hello? Why is it that >everyone has had a shot at WKPP diving and the ones that are consitently >doing it are the only left standing? Give it a try, big mouth, and find >out why - talking about diving is easy, doing it seems to be a lttle bit >more scarce in your circle , and the fact is you do not know how, and >could not physically handle it. > > Why do I have to listen to you dorks who do nothing comment on things >you do not understand and can not do? Why is it that my "certification" >date is of utmost importance to guys like you and Tom Mouth when neither >one of you - or anyone else in the fucking world for that matter- have >ever done what I have done and have been doing for those ten years? >Maybe it is a little easier than you swaggering "experts" have been >telling eveyone, even though you can not do it ( and have not done it ) >yourselves. > > Hello, earth to "old timers" - the reality is that you do not want to >admit that this is a piece of cake hobby for me and for anyone else who >DIR's, and an impossible nightmare for the "old timers" , who have >proven this to be true, while I have proven my side and have the track >record to prove it and the many , many divers who prove our system works >for them as well, not just for me. All of you have the same Modus >Operadi : 1) do nothing, 2) quit, and 3) then lie about it. > > You guys are pissed that I will not hold hands with your little boy's >club and "show you respect". You deserve none for anything. Grow a dick, >asshole, and quit complaining about me to anyone who will listen. Either >get out there and show me how it is done, or shut the hell up. Getting >on here and quoting Gilaim or making references to my use of cocaine or >alchohol ( forget that this was 16 years ago and that you can NOT say >the same about drugs or alchohol, asswipe ) will not erase the fact that >I have outgunned you completely and totally since day one, and can do so >in any aspect what so ever . And then as for threatening me in email be >aware that sooner or later I will catch you outside of your little dive >shop and that threat will have you pissing in your little pink panties. > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aq*.co*'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aq*.co*'. "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ Email captjt@mi*.co*
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