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At 02:35 PM 4/6/2000 EDT, RDecker388@ao*.co* wrote: >Brock, > > Mr. Bruic's response to my observation was a simple one, "it's the >little guy that voted these clowns and jesters of the highest court into >office, and only they can remove them." One of the problem's with this >perspective is there's a heck of a lot of cave divers out there, bearing >cards issued by these organizations, that are not polically active nor voting >members of any of these entities. Others who are members are not active >enough to know the "players" and either refrain from casting their votes on >this basis or take blind guesses based on the limited information provided >them before an election. Bruic , Bob, You hit this one right on the head. As a NE wreck diver who took full cave as a means of gainng more "over head experiance" I had no idea of how exttensive and demanding that trianing would involve. Technical, phsical, and mentaly , especialy in the FL cave systems . I took cavern/intro foar a little over a week , then came back a year later for Apr/full cave. Makes a padi course look like kindergarden. The noui dive course was better than the padi cource I took. I started a noui one in NYC and finished a padi one whenI was abroad. Full cave made all that a walk in the park. Unfurtunaltley I havent been cave diving in long while. Mean while I do follow the list, Have a nss card , but am not any further active in cave, although I am still highly interested in cave diving. So You are absalutely correct in that only a few are hohly involved in these cantankerous issues. I HIghly respect those who are trying to clean up the sport , as the more needless deaths there are the more we as sport divers will have our rights taken away.Bruic has spunk and a lot of balls to take the stand that he has. So Bruick I can only suport you from affar , as I have only been following this along on the internet. > I've always been of the opinion that a good instructor will provide good >instruction in spite or what agency he or she might be affiliated with. I've >also notice that many good divers will progress into great divers despite who >did their initial training. Based on that perspective if it were my property >I'd be more inclined to refuse cards from certain instructors rather than >entire agencies. However, in the long run, whether right or wrong... good or >bad, as long as it's his property he may do with it as he pleases. There's >no room for arguement there, nor reason to disrespect that right. Some are far better than others. Those that are "hosing" there students should be removed , or done away with. I was sold a ton of shit after I was certified. Still have some of it. I dident realize how much I had been hosed , till I was on a group trip to Billy Deans , and the instructor sugested I try out wings and doubles , as they were much more conductive to the wreck diving I wanted to do. He also happened to be full cave certified as well , hence his influence.(Bernie Chowdhury) Needless to say , I went home with a new set of wings , and hardware.That cost a lot at that time , prices have gon down. But it shows how with the right direction can make a very big diffence in the outcome. All it took was one dive , boy was the rig balanced. I was using a single with a pony that swung every where with the bc. The doubles were like magic. They were like even more magic when I got in better shape , and was able to do two dives on one set. Unfortunally after the death of a freind , and some other personal reasons , I havent been an active diver for the lastcouple of years. But I dearly wait till I can become active agien , esplecialy to coming back down to FL for some more cave diving. As it is , the selection gets smaller and smaller. I do plan on visiting GUE and realy hope to take them up on some instruction. Things have realy changed a lot from when I took full cave with Berman. I realy do like what I see from the Hogarth and "wkpp" style of diving. Makes a lot of sence , and it makes even more to hear it direct from the hoses mouth. Well Off my soap box now. > As for you quandry, it's only one cave, there are others. If you've done >your research and settled upon an instructor you feel comfortable with stick >with him. Frankly I've never gotten around to a dive at Madison Blue, >haven't lost a minute's sleep over that fact and I'm sure I won't lose any in >the future if the situation remains the same. > > >Regards, > >Bob D. > > >In a message dated 4/6/00 8:53:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >Bfrede1615@em*.ms*.co* writes: > ><< It leaves me in a quandry. I'm slated to study cave with Jason > Wiesacosky in the fall. Where does this leave us? Jason is highly thought > of. In fact I reseached and approached him after receiving glowing reports > from G-III and Jim Cobb. I feel very fortunate be accepted. But now doors > are being slammed shut in me and my friends faces. As you said it's us > little guys that are being punished. > thanks for your concern > Dive safe > Brock Frederickson >> >
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