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Samy, as a cds instructor I couldn't (but others could do whatever they =
please to whoever), so that is why I told them to stuff the card, now I =
can talk. I will be going public very, very soon, mainly to these clowns =
insurance underwriters and agents. I will also do everything certified =
return receipt so no one can back out when someone gets killed. I called =
it with Stones goat roping, and unfortunately, I'm calling it here also. =


Bruic
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Samy Elashmawy=20
  To: Mike Bruic ; ALEXANDER MELLER=20
  Cc: BILL KRIMMEL ; cavers=20
  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: NSS/CDS and other Clown Agencies


  Mike , why havent you gone public with the docs/facts ?=20
  once its public record , any one can use them. As much as I dislike =
the direction tha legal system is taking , where any one can sue someone =
for almost any thing , and tehn walk home with a check in there hand.

  what ever happended to personal responsibilty here!!

  I am in no way taking the haphazard and unsafe ones off the hook here. =




  A 07:17 AM 4/5/2000 -0400, Mike Bruic wrote:=20
  >>>>

    Alex- thanks for your input, but I do not need the money form the =
admission of cave divers. It's a drop in the bucket. As for cleaning up =
the cds, I handed them one of their biggest idiots and liabilities on =
two different silver platters (I did the proper cds paper work & backed =
it with facts on both counts), they did nothing (fuck buddy system =
here), so I will. If you feel this is unfair, sorry, but my best =
suggestion would be to take it up with Denny and Rennaker, if you can =
get them out of bed together long enough to listen to you (I couldn't).

    Bruic=20

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: <mailto:seacave@vo*.co*>ALEXANDER MELLER=20
      To: <mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic=20
      Cc: <mailto:bill@ev*.co*>BILL KRIMMEL ; =
<mailto:cavers@cavers.com>cavers=20
      Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:52 PM
      Subject: Re: NSS/CDS and other Clown Agencies

      Mike
      I take a group of cave divers down from Pennsylvania to Florida 4 =
to 5 times a year. They have been trained by one of the best cave =
instructors in Florida and are certified NSS-CDS. In the last three =
years, I have not visited your place for one reason or another(floods, =
students in classes) In selling my trips, I speak of how beautiful your =
place is and how great the cave system is at Madison Blue. we are coming =
down again in April with the intention to visit Madison.=20
      I cannot speak on the issues you have against the training =
agencies or thier instructors and directors. I do not want to be =
involved in such politics. I disagree with you on "GUE" being the only =
agency to dive at your place. What if the Cayman's only allowed PADI =
divers in and Cozumel only SSI divers.
      I was trained to cave dive by the NSS-CDS when there was no GUE =
and no George. I feel I have evolved to become a top notch cave diver =
over the years. I subscibe to the "DIR" method of gear configeration and =
have the feelings most of the Wkpp have on team work, buddy system, =
personal preference gear, etc. But I do not need "GUE to sanction me. I =
cannot devote the time to work with the WKPP although I admire their =
acomplishments would like to be a team player.
      Because you own Madison, I guess you have a right say who comes =
and goes. I do not think you could survive at the gates(income) if only =
Gue people would be admitted. Based on what I've seen over the last =
three years, I do see most people flocking to GUE to be trained. This is =
just my observation from being down the Florida caves a month or so out =
of the year. It would be a real shame if you had to lose Madison for =
lack of profits to be turned over to someone else who would give two =
shits about the cave envoirment or the beauty of Madison.=20
      Just a thought but if your worried about the level of training =
coming to Madison, why don't you do guided dives or have some type of =
chekout skills prior to entering your cave system. And just another =
thought, Instead of renouncing the CDS, why don't you and some of the =
GUE/CDS instructor get rid of the people running the NSS and help mold =
it to take the shape you are after. I am not an authority on Cave =
instruction although I am an scuba instructor.=20
      I would really like to visit Madison without the GUE involvement. =
I hope you reconsider. Thank you for your time.
      Respectfully
      Alex Meller
      <mailto:seacave@vo*.co*>seacave@voicenet.com



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<DIV>Samy, as a cds instructor I couldn't (but others could do whatever =
they=20
please to whoever), so that is why I told them to stuff the card, now I =
can=20
talk. I will be going public very, very soon, mainly to these clowns =
insurance=20
underwriters and agents. I will also do everything certified return =
receipt=20
so no one can back out when someone gets killed. I called it with Stones =
goat=20
roping, and unfortunately, I'm calling it here also. </DIV>
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  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:samelash@ix*.ne*.co*" =
title=3Dsamelash@ix*.ne*.co*>Samy=20
  Elashmawy</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*" =
title=3Dmikebruic@di*.co*>Mike=20
  Bruic</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:seacave@vo*.co*"=20
  title=3Dseacave@vo*.co*>ALEXANDER MELLER</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:bill@ev*.co*"=20
  title=3Dbill@ev*.co*>BILL KRIMMEL</A> ; <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com" title=3Dcavers@cavers.com>cavers</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 05,
2000 =
2:08=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NSS/CDS and
other =
Clown=20
  Agencies</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Mike , why havent you gone public with the docs/facts
? =

  <BR>once its public record , any one can use them. As much as I =
dislike the=20
  direction tha legal system is taking , where any one can sue someone =
for=20
  almost any thing , and tehn walk home with a check in there =
hand.<BR><BR>what=20
  ever happended to personal responsibilty here!!<BR><BR>I am in no way =
taking=20
  the haphazard and unsafe ones off the hook here.
<BR><BR><BR><BR>A =
07:17 AM=20
  4/5/2000 -0400, Mike Bruic wrote: <BR>>>>><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE>Alex- thanks for your input, but I do not need the money =
form=20
    the admission of cave divers. It's a drop in the bucket. As for =
cleaning up=20
    the cds, I handed them one of their biggest idiots and liabilities =
on two=20
    different silver platters (I did the proper cds paper work & =
backed it=20
    with facts on both counts), they did nothing (fuck buddy system =
here), so I=20
    will. If you feel this is unfair, sorry, but my best suggestion =
would be to=20
    take it up with Denny and Rennaker, if you can get them out of bed =
together=20
    long enough to listen to you (I couldn't).<BR><BR>Bruic <BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B>=20
      <mailto:seacave@vo*.co*>ALEXANDER MELLER <BR><B>To:</B> =

      <mailto:mikebruic@di*.co*>Mike Bruic <BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
      <mailto:bill@ev*.co*>BILL KRIMMEL ;=20
      <mailto:cavers@cavers.com>cavers <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
=
April 04,=20
      2000 11:52 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: NSS/CDS and other Clown=20
     
Agencies<BR><BR><?smaller>Mike<BR><?/smaller><?smaller>I take
a =
group of=20
      cave divers down from Pennsylvania to Florida 4 to 5 times a year. =
They=20
      have been trained by one of the best cave instructors in Florida =
and are=20
      certified NSS-CDS. In the last three years, I have not visited =
your place=20
      for one reason or another(floods, students in classes) In selling =
my=20
      trips, I speak of how beautiful your place is and how great the =
cave=20
      system is at Madison Blue. we are coming down again in April with =
the=20
      intention to visit Madison. <BR><?/smaller><?smaller>I cannot =
speak on the=20
      issues you have against the training agencies or thier instructors =
and=20
      directors. I do not want to be involved in such politics. I =
disagree with=20
      you on "GUE" being the only agency to dive at your place. What if =
the=20
      Cayman's only allowed PADI divers in and Cozumel only SSI =
divers.<BR><?/smaller><?smaller>I was trained to cave dive by the =
NSS-CDS=20
      when there was no GUE and no George. I feel I have evolved to =
become a top=20
      notch cave diver over the years. I subscibe to the "DIR" method of =
gear=20
      configeration and have the feelings most of the Wkpp have on team =
work,=20
      buddy system, personal preference gear, etc. But I do not need =
"GUE to=20
      sanction me. I cannot devote the time to work with the WKPP =
although I=20
      admire their acomplishments would like to be a team =
player.<BR><?/smaller><?smaller>Because you own Madison, I guess you =
have=20
      a right say who comes and goes. I do not think you could survive =
at the=20
      gates(income) if only Gue people would be admitted. Based on what =
I've=20
      seen over the last three years, I do see most people flocking to =
GUE to be=20
      trained. This is just my observation from being down the Florida =
caves a=20
      month or so out of the year. It would be a real shame if you had =
to lose=20
      Madison for lack of profits to be turned over to someone else who =
would=20
      give two shits about the cave envoirment or the beauty of Madison. =
<BR><?/smaller><?smaller>Just a thought but if your worried about
the=20
      level of training coming to Madison, why don't you do guided dives =
or have=20
      some type of chekout skills prior to entering your cave system. =
And just=20
      another thought, Instead of renouncing the CDS, why don't you and =
some of=20
      the GUE/CDS instructor get rid of the people running the NSS and =
help mold=20
      it to take the shape you are after. I am not an authority on Cave=20
      instruction although I am an scuba instructor. =
<BR><?/smaller><?smaller>I=20
      would really like to visit Madison without the GUE involvement. I =
hope you=20
      reconsider. Thank you for your=20
      =
time.<BR><?/smaller><?smaller>Respectfully<BR><?/smaller><?sma
ller>Alex=20
      =
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