I would consider doing something like that, but not with cds instructors
(hell, to many F.A.).

Bruic

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hanes <"sumamax@er*.co*"@erols.com>
To: <trey@ne*.co*>
Cc: ALEXANDER MELLER <seacave@vo*.co*>; Mike Bruic
<mikebruic@di*.co*>; BILL KRIMMEL <bill@ev*.co*>; cavers
<cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: NSS/CDS and other Clown Agencies


> Trey wrote:
> >
> > Mike, I agree with the guided dives suggestion here. That is something
> > these NACD and CDS instructors need to start doing. They can charge for
> > it like any other service, and it would cut the accident rates severely.
> > Even an idiot like  Bill Dooley can pull off a cave dive without killing
> > somebody, but these out of towners are high risk no matter what they
> > think they are doing right or what they think they know.
> >
> > I would rather myself go on a guided dive than wing it in a system that
> > I do not know ( unless of course it were unexplored, in which case I am
> > following my own line ). I just went to Mexico for a couple of weeks and
> > hired a Mayan guide for three dives in systems I had never seen. That
> > was a lot more fun that getting in there and thrashing around trying to
> > find the good stuff.
> >
> > In WKPP we basicly have all mentor systems and effectively "guided"
> > dives to get out guys going.
> >
> > ALEXANDER MELLER wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >  I take a group of cave divers down from Pennsylvania to Florida 4 to
> > > 5 times a year. They have been trained by one of the best cave
> > > instructors in Florida and are certified NSS-CDS. In the last three
> > > years, I have not visited your place for one reason or another(floods,
> > > students in classes) In selling my trips, I speak of how beautiful
> > > your place is and how great the cave system is at Madison Blue. we are
> > > coming down again in April with the intention to visit Madison.
> > >     I cannot speak on the issues you have against the training
> > > agencies or thier instructors and directors. I do not want to be
> > > involved in such politics. I disagree with you on "GUE" being the only
> > > agency to dive at your place. What if the Cayman's only allowed PADI
> > > divers in and Cozumel only SSI divers.
> > >     I was trained to cave dive by the NSS-CDS when there was no GUE
> > > and no George. I feel I have evolved to become a top notch cave diver
> > > over the years. I subscibe to the "DIR" method of gear configeration
> > > and have the feelings most of the Wkpp have on team work, buddy
> > > system, personal preference gear, etc. But I do not need "GUE to
> > > sanction me. I cannot devote the time to work with the WKPP although I
> > > admire their acomplishments would like to be a team player.
> > >     Because you own Madison, I guess you have a right say who comes
> > > and goes. I do not think you could survive at the gates(income) if
> > > only Gue people would be admitted. Based on what I've seen over the
> > > last three years, I do see most people flocking to GUE to be trained.
> > > This is just my observation from being down the Florida caves a month
> > > or so out of the year. It would be a real shame if you had to lose
> > > Madison for lack of profits to be turned over to someone else who
> > > would give two shits about the cave envoirment or the beauty of
> > > Madison.
> > >     Just a thought but if your worried about the level of training
> > > coming to Madison, why don't you do guided dives or have some type of
> > > chekout skills prior to entering your cave system. And just another
> > > thought, Instead of renouncing the CDS, why don't you and some of the
> > > GUE/CDS instructor get rid of the people running the NSS and help mold
> > > it to take the shape you are after. I am not an authority on Cave
> > > instruction although I am an scuba instructor.
> > >     I would really like to visit Madison without the GUE involvement.
> > > I hope you reconsider. Thank you for your time.
> > > Respectfully
> > > Alex Meller
> > > seacave@vo*.co* good post George...and a very good new
rule...thanks
>
> Mark
>

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