I don't know about south of Newark not having good pizza.  I live about 20
miles south of Newark in Edison and there is some really good pizza.  I also
work in Newark as well as have an office in Manhattan and the Pizza is
equally good.  I agree, South Jersey is the pits for Pizza so any of the
shore points are out of the question.

Your issue with Bagels is correct, can't get a good one in Jersey, gotta go
to Brooklyn.

As for Shipwrecks, can't be beat up here!

Art.


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Al Marvelli [SMTP:ajmarve@ba*.ne*]
	Sent:	Thursday, March 30, 2000 4:33 PM
	To:	Nanci LeVake
	Cc:	fossildiver@mi*.co*; Paltz, Art; cavers@cavers.com
	Subject:	Re: Bent Jill

	Nanci,

	I regret to inform you that there are no actual pizza places in
Gainsville
	desptie what you have been lead to believe. Pizza cannot generally
be made
	south of Newark, or west of Scranton. The redneck factor tends to
mutiliate the
	process, and you get these sandwich shops< grinders> that could not
bake their
	way out of the Bastille.

	Your first clue as to whether there is any hope in these areas is
the presence
	or absence of a large stone oven, with a narrow wide mouth. Pizza
cannot be
	made on a conveyor belt or a rotiserrie, do not even attempt to tell
me
	otherwise. The oven needs to be on all the time to acheive proper
temperature.
	If they turn the knobs after you order, run like the wind.

	West of the Mississippi or south of the Ohio, the water lacks the
specific
	mineral content to allow the crust to form properly. Pizza crust
should be firm
	enough to snap on the bottom and soft enough to be chewy just under
the sauce.
	Sicillian pies < square for all you goobers> should have a large
layer of chewy
	, followed by a thin hard bottom that is not burnt.  There is a
large business
	in overnight shipment of correct pizza dough to places like Los
Angeles and Las
	Vegas, but I doubt you will find it in Gainsville.

	You have most likely never had an actual bagel either. Bagels should
be hard on
	the outside and chewy on the inside, and should not have a uniform
roll like
	consistency.

	Grits , Thank God, cannot be found north of Maryland, except on US
Military
	bases where they are standard fare for those conditioned to no
longer care
	about flavor.

	So now you have three reasons to Visit Brooklyn: pizza, bagels and
shipwrecks.

	Regards,

	Al Marvelli

	PS did you guys ever sort out that gap/tee deal??? what was that all
about
	anyways?  <--- cave related content.



	Nanci LeVake wrote:

	> Al,
	>
	> I don't know if I ever had "real" pizza in MN.  But I found a
_really_ good
	> Italian restaurant in G'ville that makes the best pizza I've ever
had.
	>
	> No, I have no idea what a grit is.  I kind of like them at Waffle
House,
	> though, with apple butter in them.......Do they have something to
do with
	> corn?  Can you believe the _Wendy's_ down here has grits???
	>
	> nANCI
	>
	> >From: fossildiver@mi*.co*
	> >To: Nanci LeVake <nlevake@ho*.co*>
	> >CC: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*, cavers@cavers.com
	> >Subject: Re: RE: Bent Jill
	> >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:07:27 -0500
	> >
	> >Nanci LeVake <nlevake@ho*.co*> wrote:
	> > > Ok, What does eating pizza have to do with being from Up
North??  ]We
	> >may
	> >not be grit eaters or crawfish eaters or okra eaters, (what_is_
that,
	> >anyway??) but isn't pizza universal?
	> >
	> >Nanci
	> >
	> >Nanci,
	> >Have you had *any* real pizza in the south? Only people from Up
North even
	> >know what real pizza is. And can someone tell me *exactly* what a
grit is?
	> >al
	>
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