Your "mentor" idea solves every problem listed here. That is how we run
our organization.

Drew Glasbrenner wrote:
> 
> I'd prefer well arrowed T's any day. The only good thing I can say about
> gaps is that they help keep beginner divers out of areas they shouldn't be
> in and on the main line. Tees make it easier to route find. Imagine driving
> through a neighborhood where you could only see 50 ft and the roads lacked
> 75 ft of intersecting.
> 
> I agree with the view that the intro certification is a bad idea, but I also
> take it a step farther and say that I think no one should be paid to teach
> cave diving. Cave diving should be a mentor-based learning system, instead
> of one driven by profit. Sure, there would be less cave divers...sounds like
> a good thing for us and the caves. To be good (which means you get to stay
> alive longer), you can't be a one week wonder who flys down for a dive or
> two every six months. You have to live and breath the underground underwater
> world to be really safe. Unfortunately, it seems many of the recent
> accidents in caves have been divers who only cave dive every once in a
> while.
> 
> About this last LR accident...Has it occurred to anyone where these guys
> rented the doubles and scooters? I seem to doubt that they took all their
> gear on the plane, and I had seen where they did fly down here? I'm not
> saying that the renter is at fault( it's a personal responsibility issue),
> just maybe it is a problem to be addressed.
> 
> Or maybe I'm just pissed I can't dive this weekend.
> 
> Drew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Daniel, David <David_O'Daniel@bs*.bl*.co*>
> To: 'Drew Glasbrenner' <glasbrenner@mi*.co*>
> Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Gaps and T's
> 
> >My reasoning on it...say for instance you are exiting a cave system where
> >you have had some problems, you are stressed out.  Visibility is low.  What
> >would you rather encounter?  4 Ts on the way out, or a single gap, then a
> >straight line to daylight?  It all comes down to simplicity.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Drew Glasbrenner [mailto:glasbrenner@mi*.co*]
> >Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 1:35 PM
> >To: O'Daniel, David
> >Subject: Re: Gaps and T's
> >
> >
> >How about some reasoning to back up your claim?
> >
> >Drew
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: O'Daniel, David <David_O'Daniel@bs*.bl*.co*>
> >To: 'techdiver@aq*.co*' <techdiver@aq*.co*>
> >Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 12:23 PM
> >Subject: RE: Gaps and T's
> >
> >
> >>Gaps are choice.  T's can be dangerous in a siltout or high stress
> >>situation.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Joel Markwell [mailto:joeldm@mi*.co*]
> >>Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:18 PM
> >>To: Techdiver
> >>Subject: Gaps and T's
> >>
> >>
> >>Which is safer? A cave lined with a segmented line system which has 10'
> >gaps
> >>which are clearly marked with double arrows and which a diver must deploy
> a
> >>reel to safely traverse that gap
> >>
> >>OR
> >>
> >>A single line system of T'd lines that have clearly marked double arrows
> >>pointing to the exit on the inbound side of each T and on which one would
> >>deploy a clip on the exit side?
> >>
> >>If you gave both systems to a reasonably intelligent unbiased panel of
> >>divers with all the relevant facts, which would they choose?
> >>
> >>Is a T safer than a gap?
> >>
> >>Any input would be appreciated.
> >>
> >>Later,
> >>
> >>JoeL
> >>
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