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Phil, the fact is that they have nothing to say publicly that will stand teh light of day. What most of them do is respond privately with their own agenda which again will not stand up to public scrutiny. Otherwise, the "instructors" use this list to pounce upon potential students by means of lies and bullshit. Anyone who can not get on here and hold a discussion with me needs to STFU anyway. I am all over techidver, Quest, and of coures WKPP ( but that is private), and none of these "problems" exist there. Why is that? underhillp@ju*.co* wrote: > > Most of the "traffic" on cavers seems to have migrated away already. > Partly due to the meeker amongst us avoiding exposure (for reasons well > known to all) and mostly, I think moving to "private" lists. At least > when there were flame wars going on, we got one or two gems out of the > forty-plus messages of blowhard bullshit per day. Fragmenting off to > another list will only decrease the value of this one still further. > > All of the formerly most worthwhile contributors were generally those who > supported your "free speech" concept and yet have taken their caring, > tender-hearted banter elsewhere (to avoid what? -- some criticism they > can't handle -- I doubt it!) so that they can converse only with > like-minded individuals on a higher plane no doubt. > > I would like to invite anyone with something to say (or a question to > ask) to speak up. > > Regards, > Philip > > On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:11:43 -0500 (EST) "John R. Rose" <rose@cs*.sc*.ed*> > writes: > > Billy, > > > > The freedom of speech that is being referred to is that of > > being free to present an opinion without the fear that someone might > > being so rude as to point out that it is bullshit. > > > > Most of the bitching that I hear about cavers concerns this > > "peer-review" process. I think that it is a great idea for people to > > create their own moderated list where everyone can feel good about > > themself. That should raise the signal to noise ratio on this list. > > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 bdi@wh*.ne* wrote: > > > > > At 06:15 25/01/00 , Hazel.Barton@UC*.ed* wrote: > > > > > > > If you are interested, Email me with the title 'New List' and > > I'll forward > > > >everything to Jim. > > > > > > > >Regards, happy caving and freedom of speech! > > > > > > > > > Hazel, freedom of speech is NOT a moderated list. > > > ANd anyway, seems you're enjoying the freedom of > > > speech right here on cavers. > > > > > > rgrds billyw > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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