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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:20:19 -0400
To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
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Subject: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction and158m air dives You gotta be kidding)
I agree , Richie - narcosis can be potentialted or not potentiated, just
like drinking a few beers on an empty stomach would make me high a lot
quicker than if I had eaten a full meal first.

You tell us all how to dive high, since you seem to think you have it
figured out. 

This is more of your bullshit that has no basis in fact. The fact is
that nitrogen impairs and the fact is only a stroke would intentionally
dive it knowing that information.

I do not "feel" anything at 150 on air, most of the time, because it
does its work all the way down and does not let me feel it , unless I
get there fast or have been on gas and switch to the air, but the fact
is I am an idiot at any depth on nitrogen compared to what I would be on
helium or at the surface.

The other fact of life Richie is that I would not know antying about air
diving to 150 or beyond were it not for the influence of those who at
the time had more "experience" and "knowledge" than I had, mostly
"instructors" who did this , told me they were "good on air" and what
their "personal comfort depth" on air was ( I am taking about Mouth now)
and told me how deep they went on air ( I am talking about Parker
Turner, of all people). 

My feeling, given that I like to do eveything well and competitively,
was that if they could do it, I could do it. I am lucky to be alive and
here by the Grace of God only given the number of times I was
unknowlingly at risk.

By way of contrast, Lamar Hires told me it was bullshit ten years ago,
and himself always set a good example in this regard. I guess he is an
asshole like me, huh Richie and cc list?

You need to stop worrying about how to keep Tom Mouth and a bunch of
losers happy, and start worrying about the piss poor influence you are
having on diving. You need to wake up and honestly ask yourself, "what
role am I playing in what is happening out there?" 

I can ask myself that question and be very satisfied that I am doing the
right thing - you can not, in my estimation.


Richard Pyle wrote:
> 
> > Just want to ask some important questions:
> >
> > Have you ever thought about water temperatures of 4°C (39F)?
> > Have ever thought about prices of Helium in Europe?
> > Have you ever thought about common diving practices in Central Europe?
> >
> > As we all know is N-Narcosis not only depending on the ppN. The
> > psychlogical
> > effects of the different environments count at least as much as the ppN. A
> > limit of 130 ft on Air could be way to much or more or less no problem. To
> > limit the use of air to a max depth of 130 ft. is not our favorite limit.
> 
> I couldn't agree more. Narcosis involves a great deal more than just
> nitrogen (despite recent apparent claims to the contrary). In my
> circumstances and diving environment, I personally am comfortable breathing
> air to a maximum depth of about 150 feet (as I said in the post that seems
> to have garnered so much attention). All the senseless name-calling in the
> world won't change my feeling on this, nor will it reduce my willingness to
> provide an honest answer on the topic. But my feelings on this are moot in
> this context, because aside from a few brief excursions to very shallow
> depths, I haven't breathed air underwater for nearly 5 years, nor do I
> anticipate any such need in the future, as all of my diving is done using a
> closed-circuit rebreather.
> 
> Aloha,
> Rich


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