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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:16:34 -0400
To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>
CC: dive4wrk@pi*.co*, Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>,
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Subject: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction and158 m air dives You gotta be kidding)
Chris, wehn I was talking about successfully decompressing the Heinrths,
I was referring to the fact that they are still alive, not that they
obviously suffered badly, according to those who were on hand.

When I was pointing out the strenghts of helium in allowing these
"divers" to dive Wakulla, I was not talking about the crystal clear B
Tunnel, I was talking aout the conduit, where it only took them three
months to get where JJ and I put the safety botles in our one dive at
Wakulla this year ( after we walled out A Tunnel on the same, dive - the
one where you put the bottles back in the Chamber - a dive that took
them six weeks to work up to ) . 

I call both situations clear evidence that helium is a superior gas, and
Bill Mee was the first to spot this su9ing this as evidence. 

It still will not overcome incompetence, as we saw them unable to get to
a solid 25,000 feet of cave ( the best part ) under the best conditions
ever recorded at the Spring, with more dives than we have had in ten
years there.

Right now they would have to go 50% further than they did on their
"biggest" dive to even see a lead in there, and we have not even focused
our attntion on this site yet. Give me two more dives and they will have
to dive to Shadeville to see a side tunnel without line in it.

Also keep in mind that they never even saw a lead in the conduit, and
that is prety funny given the yapping mouths that we had to listen to
for three months.

Chris Werner wrote:
> 
> Joe, at least I'm not a backstabbing piece of shit and I am not getting bent
> like you and Richie after your 15 min. bounce dives. It is obvious you can't
> pull off the decos.  Tell us how Jill Heinreth felt after that great deco
> you were involved in with the USDCT. You may know more about rebreathers
> (just for the fact that you will try any stupid machine with the word
> 'rebreather' written on it) but we haven't killed any noble prize winners
> lately.  You still haven't learned how to pull the cotton out of your ears
> yet, have you.
> 
> Warm regards from Tallahassee Power Cave country,
> (Where we do no diving)
> Chris
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph and Amy Dituri <dive4wrk@pi*.co*>
> To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>
> Cc: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>; Wrolf
> Courtney <wrolf@wr*.ne*>; <halcyon@ha*.ne*>; Bill Mee
> <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>;
> <techdiver@aq*.co*>; Christian Gerzner <christiang@pi*.co*.au*>; Mark
> the Nark Andrews <extreme@de*.fr*.co*.uk*>; Afonso Pinheiro Junior
> <afonso0@ib*.ne*>; Barrie Heard <bheard@dc*.ne*.au*>; Bill Nadeau
> <tekdiver@na*.ar*.co*>; Dick Rutkowski <dick@hy*.co*>; Erika
> Haley <haley@ca*.ky*>; Fabio Amaral <fabio_amaral@ya*.co*>; Fabio
Ruberti
> <ruberti@io*.it*>; Frans Vandermolen <75204.1243@co*.co*>; Garry
> Howland <ghowland@fw*.gu*.ne*>; Gil <gildiver@di*.co*.br*>; Gina & Mark
> Leonard <ginamark@at*.ne*>; Gregg Stanton <gstanton@ma*.fs*.ed*>;
> IANTD Czech <kony@un*.cz*>; IANTD Germany <iantd@su*.de*>; I
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction
> and158 m air dives You gotta be kidding)
> 
> > Tom,
> >     Tell me again why you mailed this to ALL these guys.  You know we
> could say
> > "boo" to some of the guys on this list and it would fill my inbox with
> senseless
> > replys.  It really don't need it.  I get enough junk mail.
> >     The subject discussed herein is as dead as the people who still use
> it.  We
> > at IANTD don't teach it nor do we advocate it.  Forget what George or his
> band
> > of cronies says or thinks.  Don't solicite his opinion, because frankly we
> > already know his answer.  It's getting old.
> >
> > > Hey Richie, how is that you can deal with the deathtrap (Cis-Lunar) that
> you
> > > swear by diving, with all the complications and it hideous fatal track
> > > record, but yet you cannot mix the right gas for OC?  You are one lucky
> guy
> > > and tougher than nails.
> >
> >     Then we obtain such STUPID comments as this.  This guy probably thinks
> about
> > diving some time, just not in his reorts.  Check out the care and thought
> he put
> > into this reply.  OBVIOUSLY he knows a great deal more about rebreathers
> than we
> > do.  Let's get his advice on what breath mint he uses as well.  I bet this
> guy
> > scores with te ladies because he is such a "Tough guy"
> >
> > --
> > Warm Regards from Hawaii
> >         Joseph Dituri, CEO Gallant Aquatic
> >
> > ***************************************************************
> > * Paying $5 for training gives you $5 worth of training.      *
> > * There is no substitute for doing it right THE FIRST TIME.   *
> > * In this environment, you may never get a second chance.     *
> > * Check out our NEW web site at http://www.pixi.com/~dive4wrk *
> > ***************************************************************
> >
> >

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