If I may add further....

They often fail their first hydro,

They cost three times what a good 80 does,

Who can do a proper inspection looking through that ridiculous little
neck?

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Drew Glasbrenner      University of South Florida Geology Program

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin in the
"Historical Review of Pennsylvania"

"My kung-fu is the best, baby"

On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Katherine Irvine wrote:

> You need to pump them to get the volume, and then you would get about
> the same from aluminum at the same presure. This just stresses the regs.
> When you go to take them off, they sink.  
> 
> 
> Samy Elashmawy wrote:
> > 
> > >- proper gear balance is the correct
> > 
> > Agreed
> > 
> > >answer, not more gear to offset doing something stupid. I do more ocean
> > >diving than cave diving,
> > >
> > >I dive aluminum 80's and a weight belt and/or a cave light with a wet
> > >suit, and can drop the belt if I need to get up for any reason, like
> > >loss of gas, loss of hoses, etc. When diving steel I have a drysuit with
> > >its own inflation. Big steel tanks on a boat are dumb. 80's with an 80
> > >stage solves the hoovery problem, the multiple dive problems, and when
> > >you need to walk around a pitching deck, or take your tanks off in the
> > >water, you will appreciate the lighter aluminums.
> > 
> > Gearge , Why are you so agenst steel tanks on ocean with a dry suit. Small
> > Steel ,ie genisis 100s
> > for example. (I know they rust) They are well balanced , You do not need to
> > add a ton of lead to your wight belt.and you have 200 CFT of dive gas. Much
> > more stream lined with an alluminum $0 of o2 for deco. Much more than twin
> > 80s, a 80 stage and  an aditional 40 cunbe deco bottle.
> > 
> > Why drag the additional tanks along when you can do with this setup ?
> > 
> > >Trying to manage a mess like double wings or inflators is patently
> > >ridiculous, and extremely dangerous in my well informed and seasoned
> > >opinion. Trying to teach pigs to sing in deep water is the excuse most
> > >often proferred by our fine instuctional community, the mental
> > >equivalent of roofers or car wash monkees, and I do not pay much
> > >attention to what they have to say in diving or at the car wash.
> > >
> > >Obvious is obvious, and what it most obvious here is that we have idiots
> > >dispening dive advice at the key levels - a real shame. Good thing there
> > >are a few good ones out there, and good thing there is an alternative to
> > >the bullshit - G.U.E.
> > >
> > >I got lucky and drew good ones from O/W to cave. Clearly you did not,
> > >but it is not too late to go find out the real deal. You're missing the
> > >freedom of diving the DIR way.
> > >
> > >Caruso, Christina R (Christina) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Most tech groups currently recommend Hogarthian set ups or minimization,
> > but
> > >> I have seen numerous editorials defending redundancy for deep ocean
diving
> > >> and last year there was an article (in Deep Tech I think..) that
suggested
> > >> dual BCs as an option for this.  I don't think that's as practical as
dual
> > >> bladders (cleaner set up).  If you want I can try to hunt through my old
> > >> copies and try to find the article and therefore the author...
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*]
> > >> Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:49 AM
> > >> To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina)
> > >> Cc: cavers@cavers.com
> > >> Subject: RE: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
> > >>
> > >> Who recommends dual BC's?
> > >>
> > >> At 09:56 AM 7/23/1999 -0400, you wrote:
> > >> >kirvine@sa*.ne*,
> > >> >         I know a lot of people have the personal preference of
> > >> minimization,
> > >> >and with CAVE diving you can "crawl" out but with deep OCEAN diving
> > >> >redundancy is recommended.  Sorry I didn't specify that I was referring
to
> > >> >deep ocean.  The recommended redundancy is either a BCD and a lift bag
> > >> >(which can be used for buoyancy if the BC fails) or dual BCs or dual
> > >> >bladders.  Do you often do DEEP OCEAN diving??  The reason I'm selling
> > this
> > >> >BC is because I don't need or want such redundancy when cave diving and
> > >> >don't do deep ocean diving.  I only need a little 45lb wing for my cave
> > >> >diving.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*]
> > >> >Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:41 AM
> > >> >To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina)
> > >> >Cc: 'Bill Lais'; 'cavers@cavers.com'
> > >> >Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >This is a classic " the redundency needs of deep diving". Thanks for
> > >> >coming in today, Christina.
> > >> >
> > >> >Caruso, Christina R (Christina) wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > What it is: a BCD, wing style, Scubapro Brand, SuperTek model for
> > >> >technical
> > >> > > diving.  It has full redundancy by having two bladders and two
inflator
> > >> > > hoses - aimed for the redundancy needs of deep diving.  It requires a
> > >> > > backplate (like those used for double tanks)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: Bill Lais [mailto:billlais@mp*.ne*]
> > >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:25 PM
> > >> > > To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina); cavers@cavers.com
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Stupbabro Scuper Tek gual dbladder googles
> > >> > >
> > >> > >  - say what??
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > From: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) <ccaruso@lu*.co*>
> > >> > > To: <cavers@cavers.com>
> > >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 8:06 PM
> > >> > > Subject: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I have a Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale.  Owned
less
> > >> >than
> > >> > > > one year (more wing than I need/want).  Will take $300 or best
offer.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >  Christina Caruso
> > >> > > >             407-875-4557
> > >> > > >  FAX: 407-875-4474
> > >> > > >  pager: 800-258-0336 pin 1273388
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >>
> > >> -----------------------------------------------
> > >> Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
> > >>
> > >> NW Labor Systems, Inc
> > >> http://www.nwls.com
> > >>
> > >> Who is John Galt?
> > >> -----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> 

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