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At 03:14 PM 7/23/1999 -0400, Caruso, Christina R (Christina) wrote: >I can answer the reason against steel in the ocean. In case of emergency >you need to be non negatively buoyant - Steel is not the best choice. With >AL you can drop your weights and be okay - you can't drop your steel >tanks... No , I would drop my whights and Canister light. That I think would take care of the problem. I noted that even goerge states he used steel with dry suit in oceane. Dry suit alone has lots of boyency. I think he was refering to wet suit diving when using allum. 80s >_ G.I. said >I dive aluminum 80's and a weight belt and/or a cave light with a wet >suit, and can drop the belt if I need to get up for any reason, like >loss of gas, loss of hoses, etc. When diving steel I have a drysuit with >its own inflation. Big steel tanks on a boat are dumb. 80's with an 80 >stage solves the hoovery problem, the multiple dive problems, and when >you need to walk around a pitching deck, or take your tanks off in the >water, you will appreciate the lighter aluminums. >-----Original Message----- >From: Samy Elashmawy [mailto:samelash@ix*.ne*.co*] >Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:06 AM >To: kirvine@sa*.ne*; Caruso, Christina R (Christina) >Cc: 'Kevin Connell'; cavers@cavers.com >Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale > > >>- proper gear balance is the correct > >Agreed > >>answer, not more gear to offset doing something stupid. I do more ocean >>diving than cave diving, >> >>I dive aluminum 80's and a weight belt and/or a cave light with a wet >>suit, and can drop the belt if I need to get up for any reason, like >>loss of gas, loss of hoses, etc. When diving steel I have a drysuit with >>its own inflation. Big steel tanks on a boat are dumb. 80's with an 80 >>stage solves the hoovery problem, the multiple dive problems, and when >>you need to walk around a pitching deck, or take your tanks off in the >>water, you will appreciate the lighter aluminums. > > >Gearge , Why are you so agenst steel tanks on ocean with a dry suit. Small >Steel ,ie genisis 100s >for example. (I know they rust) They are well balanced , You do not need to >add a ton of lead to your wight belt.and you have 200 CFT of dive gas. Much >more stream lined with an alluminum $0 of o2 for deco. Much more than twin >80s, a 80 stage and an aditional 40 cunbe deco bottle. > >Why drag the additional tanks along when you can do with this setup ? > >>Trying to manage a mess like double wings or inflators is patently >>ridiculous, and extremely dangerous in my well informed and seasoned >>opinion. Trying to teach pigs to sing in deep water is the excuse most >>often proferred by our fine instuctional community, the mental >>equivalent of roofers or car wash monkees, and I do not pay much >>attention to what they have to say in diving or at the car wash. >> >>Obvious is obvious, and what it most obvious here is that we have idiots >>dispening dive advice at the key levels - a real shame. Good thing there >>are a few good ones out there, and good thing there is an alternative to >>the bullshit - G.U.E. >> >>I got lucky and drew good ones from O/W to cave. Clearly you did not, >>but it is not too late to go find out the real deal. You're missing the >>freedom of diving the DIR way. >> >>Caruso, Christina R (Christina) wrote: >>> >>> Most tech groups currently recommend Hogarthian set ups or minimization, >but >>> I have seen numerous editorials defending redundancy for deep ocean >diving >>> and last year there was an article (in Deep Tech I think..) that >suggested >>> dual BCs as an option for this. I don't think that's as practical as >dual >>> bladders (cleaner set up). If you want I can try to hunt through my old >>> copies and try to find the article and therefore the author... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] >>> Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:49 AM >>> To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) >>> Cc: cavers@cavers.com >>> Subject: RE: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >>> >>> Who recommends dual BC's? >>> >>> At 09:56 AM 7/23/1999 -0400, you wrote: >>> >kirvine@sa*.ne*, >>> > I know a lot of people have the personal preference of >>> minimization, >>> >and with CAVE diving you can "crawl" out but with deep OCEAN diving >>> >redundancy is recommended. Sorry I didn't specify that I was referring >to >>> >deep ocean. The recommended redundancy is either a BCD and a lift bag >>> >(which can be used for buoyancy if the BC fails) or dual BCs or dual >>> >bladders. Do you often do DEEP OCEAN diving?? The reason I'm selling >this >>> >BC is because I don't need or want such redundancy when cave diving and >>> >don't do deep ocean diving. I only need a little 45lb wing for my cave >>> >diving. >>> > >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] >>> >Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:41 AM >>> >To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) >>> >Cc: 'Bill Lais'; 'cavers@cavers.com' >>> >Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >>> > >>> > >>> >This is a classic " the redundency needs of deep diving". Thanks for >>> >coming in today, Christina. >>> > >>> >Caruso, Christina R (Christina) wrote: >>> > > >>> > > What it is: a BCD, wing style, Scubapro Brand, SuperTek model for >>> >technical >>> > > diving. It has full redundancy by having two bladders and two >inflator >>> > > hoses - aimed for the redundancy needs of deep diving. It requires a >>> > > backplate (like those used for double tanks) >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: Bill Lais [mailto:billlais@mp*.ne*] >>> > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:25 PM >>> > > To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina); cavers@cavers.com >>> > > Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >>> > > >>> > > Stupbabro Scuper Tek gual dbladder googles >>> > > >>> > > - say what?? >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) <ccaruso@lu*.co*> >>> > > To: <cavers@cavers.com> >>> > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 8:06 PM >>> > > Subject: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > I have a Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale. Owned >less >>> >than >>> > > > one year (more wing than I need/want). Will take $300 or best >offer. >>> > > > >>> > > > Christina Caruso >>> > > > 407-875-4557 >>> > > > FAX: 407-875-4474 >>> > > > pager: 800-258-0336 pin 1273388 >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------- >>> Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >>> >>> NW Labor Systems, Inc >>> http://www.nwls.com >>> >>> Who is John Galt? >>> ----------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >
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