Bill, 


Most of us here for any lenth of time have been TOTALY FUBARed as with
tregards to gear. I meaN COMPLETELY SCTREWED. I have three us divers regs
in the corner , Finaly found some one to o2 clean them and use them on deco
bottles and pony baootles. Not to count one set of Genisis hundreds , and
one set of 120s , they both get whiped almost every two years due to there
propensity to rust. Then there is all the misilanios gear such as bcs and
counsoles ect... Get the drift.


Thanks to a trip to florida , at Billy deans , I got turned onto wings and
the cave community. Over the yeasr I have got Full cave. It was only
oduring and after my full cave endevors that I realized how deep I was
screwed. Luckily I ended up with Steve Berman and He , Bernie Chowdhury and
Keven O,brian as well as the list and cavers from florida have open my
horizions.

Remeber back when the rouses baoutht it , Now tony smith has baought it as
well. The first realy shook me up , And I know am mulling when and if I
will countinue diving. The car wash bull shit need to stop some where.
Especialy in teaching advanced open water. 

We have padi giving out C cards after five dived ect... Man it took me a
year to go from cavern to Full cave. My instructer was Not going to accept
sub par preformance. You either had the skill leval , or you did not get
your c card. He did not care how much you spent or how far you came. You
did not get your card till ha said so. When he saw what he wanted , then he
gave you the card.

Unfortunitly , The good instructers have no power once the student set off
on his own path. The path taken by the studen is under his conrol , not the
instructer. 

You can not teach good Judgement. J.F.K. Jr. paid the ultimat price , not
only his own , but those with him.

>At what Car Wash were you advised to purchase double bladder wings for Deep
>Ocean Diving?
>
>Or maybe this was during a visit to Monkey Jungle in the Redlands,
>Apparently the great ape is becoing talkative again.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) <ccaruso@lu*.co*>
>To: 'Kevin Connell' <kevin@nw*.co*>
>Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
>Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:55 AM
>Subject: RE: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
>
>
>>Most tech groups currently recommend Hogarthian set ups or minimization,
>but
>>I have seen numerous editorials defending redundancy for deep ocean diving
>>and last year there was an article (in Deep Tech I think..) that suggested
>>dual BCs as an option for this.  I don't think that's as practical as dual
>>bladders (cleaner set up).  If you want I can try to hunt through my old
>>copies and try to find the article and therefore the author...
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*]
>>Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:49 AM
>>To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina)
>>Cc: cavers@cavers.com
>>Subject: RE: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
>>
>>Who recommends dual BC's?
>>
>>At 09:56 AM 7/23/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>>>kirvine@sa*.ne*,
>>>         I know a lot of people have the personal preference of
>>minimization,
>>>and with CAVE diving you can "crawl" out but with deep OCEAN diving
>>>redundancy is recommended.  Sorry I didn't specify that I was referring to
>>>deep ocean.  The recommended redundancy is either a BCD and a lift bag
>>>(which can be used for buoyancy if the BC fails) or dual BCs or dual
>>>bladders.  Do you often do DEEP OCEAN diving??  The reason I'm selling
>this
>>>BC is because I don't need or want such redundancy when cave diving and
>>>don't do deep ocean diving.  I only need a little 45lb wing for my cave
>>>diving.
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*]
>>>Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:41 AM
>>>To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina)
>>>Cc: 'Bill Lais'; 'cavers@cavers.com'
>>>Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
>>>
>>>
>>>This is a classic " the redundency needs of deep diving". Thanks for
>>>coming in today, Christina.
>>>
>>>Caruso, Christina R (Christina) wrote:
>>> >
>>> > What it is: a BCD, wing style, Scubapro Brand, SuperTek model for
>>>technical
>>> > diving.  It has full redundancy by having two bladders and two inflator
>>> > hoses - aimed for the redundancy needs of deep diving.  It requires a
>>> > backplate (like those used for double tanks)
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Bill Lais [mailto:billlais@mp*.ne*]
>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:25 PM
>>> > To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina); cavers@cavers.com
>>> > Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
>>> >
>>> > Stupbabro Scuper Tek gual dbladder googles
>>> >
>>> >  - say what??
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) <ccaruso@lu*.co*>
>>> > To: <cavers@cavers.com>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 8:06 PM
>>> > Subject: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > I have a Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale.  Owned less
>>>than
>>> > > one year (more wing than I need/want).  Will take $300 or best offer.
>>> > >
>>> > >  Christina Caruso
>>> > >             407-875-4557
>>> > >  FAX: 407-875-4474
>>> > >  pager: 800-258-0336 pin 1273388
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------
>>Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
>>
>>NW Labor Systems, Inc
>>http://www.nwls.com
>>
>>Who is John Galt?
>>-----------------------------------------------
>>
>
>

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