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"Katherine", I think you did a wonderful job of explaining the details and did it with out beating the crap out of Christina... Nice Job!!!! This worries me a little but great advice :-) -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*> To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) <ccaruso@lu*.co*> Cc: 'Kevin Connell' <kevin@nw*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com> Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >Christina, all kidding aside - proper gear balance is the correct >answer, not more gear to offset doing something stupid. I do more ocean >diving than cave diving, and more deep ocean diving than anyone on this >list ever has done in their collective lives, and quite a bit of it >looking for the bodies of those who were diving with an unbalanced rig >and screwball wing schemes. In fact, finding bodies is the only reason >good enough to get me to do it anymore - it is stupid, stupid, and more >stupid, and incredibly stupid done the way you say it is being taught. > >I dive aluminum 80's and a weight belt and/or a cave light with a wet >suit, and can drop the belt if I need to get up for any reason, like >loss of gas, loss of hoses, etc. When diving steel I have a drysuit with >its own inflation. Big steel tanks on a boat are dumb. 80's with an 80 >stage solves the hoovery problem, the multiple dive problems, and when >you need to walk around a pitching deck, or take your tanks off in the >water, you will appreciate the lighter aluminums. > >Trying to manage a mess like double wings or inflators is patently >ridiculous, and extremely dangerous in my well informed and seasoned >opinion. Trying to teach pigs to sing in deep water is the excuse most >often proferred by our fine instuctional community, the mental >equivalent of roofers or car wash monkees, and I do not pay much >attention to what they have to say in diving or at the car wash. > >Obvious is obvious, and what it most obvious here is that we have idiots >dispening dive advice at the key levels - a real shame. Good thing there >are a few good ones out there, and good thing there is an alternative to >the bullshit - G.U.E. > >I got lucky and drew good ones from O/W to cave. Clearly you did not, >but it is not too late to go find out the real deal. You're missing the >freedom of diving the DIR way. > >Caruso, Christina R (Christina) wrote: >> >> Most tech groups currently recommend Hogarthian set ups or minimization, but >> I have seen numerous editorials defending redundancy for deep ocean diving >> and last year there was an article (in Deep Tech I think..) that suggested >> dual BCs as an option for this. I don't think that's as practical as dual >> bladders (cleaner set up). If you want I can try to hunt through my old >> copies and try to find the article and therefore the author... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] >> Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:49 AM >> To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) >> Cc: cavers@cavers.com >> Subject: RE: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >> >> Who recommends dual BC's? >> >> At 09:56 AM 7/23/1999 -0400, you wrote: >> >kirvine@sa*.ne*, >> > I know a lot of people have the personal preference of >> minimization, >> >and with CAVE diving you can "crawl" out but with deep OCEAN diving >> >redundancy is recommended. Sorry I didn't specify that I was referring to >> >deep ocean. The recommended redundancy is either a BCD and a lift bag >> >(which can be used for buoyancy if the BC fails) or dual BCs or dual >> >bladders. Do you often do DEEP OCEAN diving?? The reason I'm selling this >> >BC is because I don't need or want such redundancy when cave diving and >> >don't do deep ocean diving. I only need a little 45lb wing for my cave >> >diving. >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] >> >Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:41 AM >> >To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) >> >Cc: 'Bill Lais'; 'cavers@cavers.com' >> >Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >> > >> > >> >This is a classic " the redundency needs of deep diving". Thanks for >> >coming in today, Christina. >> > >> >Caruso, Christina R (Christina) wrote: >> > > >> > > What it is: a BCD, wing style, Scubapro Brand, SuperTek model for >> >technical >> > > diving. It has full redundancy by having two bladders and two inflator >> > > hoses - aimed for the redundancy needs of deep diving. It requires a >> > > backplate (like those used for double tanks) >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Bill Lais [mailto:billlais@mp*.ne*] >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:25 PM >> > > To: Caruso, Christina R (Christina); cavers@cavers.com >> > > Subject: Re: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >> > > >> > > Stupbabro Scuper Tek gual dbladder googles >> > > >> > > - say what?? >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: Caruso, Christina R (Christina) <ccaruso@lu*.co*> >> > > To: <cavers@cavers.com> >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 8:06 PM >> > > Subject: Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale >> > > >> > > > >> > > > I have a Scubapro Super Tek dual bladder wings for sale. Owned less >> >than >> > > > one year (more wing than I need/want). Will take $300 or best offer. >> > > > >> > > > Christina Caruso >> > > > 407-875-4557 >> > > > FAX: 407-875-4474 >> > > > pager: 800-258-0336 pin 1273388 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> ----------------------------------------------- >> Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> >> >> NW Labor Systems, Inc >> http://www.nwls.com >> >> Who is John Galt? >> ----------------------------------------------- > > >
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