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Kevin, I hope you do not DIVE like you read....... The email I sent previously was basically what you worded in your email. Email is only text in the body and subject unless an attachment is included. And as far a hole or security bug being in the email client program this still does not provide for a viri file to infect a client, it may provide for resources to be maximized through buffer overflows. For every bug or hole you think you might be able to name in MS Outlook or Outlook Express I can name one in any other email client program as well. (Including my email client, which is the Sendmail Program on any Unix platform) Considering my background I would say that I have knowledge in Email, (I am currently the Internet Postmaster, and provide Network Security services at a company that provides email for 14000 users), I have also created three viruses for testing purposes for Symantec. I do agree with your Darwin statement, but I also believe in what I was told as a child, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ BEFORE YOU INSERT YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH. Ed Powell Network Security Engineer backgas@ta*.rr*.co* "Good pings come in small packets" -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 4:43 PM To: vbtech@ci*.co* Cc: backgas; cavers@cavers.com Subject: RE: EMAIL VIRUS MY ASS badgas - Thank you for this most valuable information. Actually, you are both wrong. The problem here is that the email virus email is a hoax. Reading an email will not infect a system, except in some extreme situations where there is a security hole (bug) in the email client. I believe viruses encoded in emails is simply another example of darwin's principles at work. Anyone STUPID enough to open an attachment from someone they don't know deserves the virus. Similarly, anyone LAME enough to be using microsoft outlook for an email client deserves whatever that brings. (Usually just system crashes and lack of resources, but the occasional virus, too) At 03:34 PM 4/22/1999 -0400, you wrote: >This is not entirely accurate as viruses can be caused by several different >file types, not only executables. Once a email is sent and then the >attachment is opened a viri can then infect the host, an example is If I >sent you a word document that contained macro viruses (not executable) it is >a virus that only will attack other documents, such as text files, document >files and spreadsheet files as well through the use of the macro program. >The macro virus also may utilize other programs on your computer such as the >Melissa virus in that when a user opens an infected document, the virus will >attempt to e-mail a copy of this document to up to 50 other people, using >Microsoft Outlook. This is not an executable it is done by opening a word >document received through email. It only does the mass mailing once by >checking registry keys. > >Other samples of what is thought to be viruses such are >Happy99 Worm Program >Promail.Trojan >Hoaxes > >These are just as they state they are trojans, worms, and hoaxes similar to >viruses but different. To get accurate information regarding these subjects >you can research these at the Computer Incident Advisory web site hosted by >the US Dept. of Energy at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html there >are several other sites that are resourceful as Jesse stated below, and also >as Jesse stated below Email itself does not cause viruses only opening >attachments in Email can in fact cause the start of a viri. Please note that >email is not the only method that viri can be received as if you are a user >that utilizes other services through networks (includes dialup) such as FTP, >you can then receive viri as well. > > >Ed Powell >Network Security Engineer >backgas@ta*.rr*.co* >"Good pings come in small packets" > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jess Armantrout [mailto:armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*] >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 10:19 AM >To: Randylabel@ao*.co*; cavers@cavers.com; vbtech@ci*.co* >Subject: EMAIL VIRUS MY ASS > > >AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH > >The "virus" is the fact that this shit keeps getting sent around. > >Once again, boys and girls, and please repeat after me: > >emails do not cause viruses, executables files, often attached to emails, >cause viruses when executed. > >Forward THIS letter out to as many people as you can. > >for much more info, go to > >http://kumite.com/myths/ > >and specifically > >http://www.stiller.com/guts.htm > >for info on this an other virus hoaxes and don't post this crap to a list >until you check there first. > >trout > >-----Original Message----- >From: Randylabel@ao*.co* <Randylabel@ao*.co*> >To: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>; vbtech@ci*.co* ><vbtech@ci*.co*> >Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:01 AM >Subject: Fwd: > > >>a friend set me this, so i'm just passing along the info >> >> Randy >> >><< Subject: VIRUS >> >> >> WARNING! >> >> IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL TITLED "IT TAKES GUTS TO SAY JESUS". >> >> DO NOT OPEN IT. >> >> IT WILL ERASE EVERYTHING ON YOUR HARD DRIVE. >> >> THIS INFORMATION WAS ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY MORNING FROM IBM; AOL STATES THAT >> THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VIRUS, MUCH WORSE THAN "MELISSA" AND THAT THERE >IS >> NO REMEDY FOR IT AT THIS TIME. SOME VERY SICK INDIVIDUAL HAS SUCCEEDED IN >> USING THE RE-FORMAT FUNCTION FROM NORTON UTILITIES CAUSING IT TO >COMPLETELY >> ERASE ALL DOCUMENT ON THE HARD DRIVE. IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO WORK WITH >> NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR AND MICROSOFT INTERNET EXPLORER. IT DESTROYS MACINTOSH >> AND IBM COMPATIBLE COMPUTERS. >> >> THIS IS A NEW, VERY MALICIOUS VIRUS AND NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT. >> PASS THIS WARNING ALONG TO EVERYONE ON YOUR ADDRESS BOOK AND PLEASE SHARE >> IT WITH ALL YOUR ONLINE FRIENDS ASAP SO THAT THIS THREAT MAY BE STOPPED. >> PLEASE PRACTICE CAUTIONARY MEASURES AND TELL ANYONE THAT MAY HAVE ACCESS >> TO YOUR COMPUTER. FORWARD THIS WARNING TO EVERYONE THAT MIGHT ACCESS THE >> INTERNET. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to VBTech-request@ci*.co* >> >
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