The KEY WORD, my boys, here is MICROSOFT. Arent you people getting a 
little sick and tired of being Bill Gates zombies and getting screwed by 
every evil little prick who has figured out in all of 5 mins how to make 
a virus using Bill Gates' fucked up microsoft macros?

"OOOoooh OOOoooh I got a WINDOWS machine so I can be JUST like everybody 
else, after all Everybody MUST be right, right?"

suckers...

 Jim

Sender: backgas  Date: 4/22/99 5:20 PM

>Kevin,
>
>I hope you do not DIVE like you read.......
>
>The email I sent previously was basically what you worded in your email.
>Email is only text in the body and subject unless an attachment is included.
>And as far a hole or security bug being in the email client program this
>still does not provide for a viri file to infect a client, it may provide
>for resources to be maximized through buffer overflows.  For every bug or
>hole you think you might be able to name in MS Outlook or Outlook Express I
>can name one in any other email client program as well. (Including my email
>client, which is the Sendmail Program on any Unix platform)
>
>Considering my background I would say that I have knowledge in Email, (I am
>currently the Internet Postmaster, and provide Network Security services at
>a company that provides email for 14000 users), I have also created three
>viruses for testing purposes for Symantec.
>
>I do agree with your Darwin statement, but I also believe in what I was told
>as a child, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ BEFORE YOU INSERT YOUR FOOT IN YOUR
>MOUTH.
>
>Ed Powell
>Network Security Engineer
>backgas@ta*.rr*.co*
>"Good pings come in small packets"
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*]
>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 4:43 PM
>To: vbtech@ci*.co*
>Cc: backgas; cavers@cavers.com
>Subject: RE: EMAIL VIRUS MY ASS
>
>
>badgas - Thank you for this most valuable information.  Actually, you are
>both wrong.
>
>The problem here is that the email virus email is a hoax.  Reading an email
>will not infect a system, except in some extreme situations where there is
>a security hole (bug) in the email client.
>
>I believe viruses encoded in emails is simply another example of darwin's
>principles at work.  Anyone STUPID enough to open an attachment from
>someone they don't know deserves the virus.  Similarly, anyone LAME enough
>to be using microsoft outlook for an email client deserves whatever that
>brings.  (Usually just system crashes and lack of resources, but the
>occasional virus, too)
>
>
>
>
>
>At 03:34 PM 4/22/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>>This is not entirely accurate as viruses can be caused by several different
>>file types, not only executables. Once a email is sent and then the
>>attachment is opened a viri can then infect the host, an example is If I
>>sent you a word document that contained macro viruses (not executable) it
>is
>>a virus that only will attack other documents, such as text files, document
>>files and spreadsheet files as well through the use of the macro program.
>>The macro virus also may utilize other programs on your computer such as
>the
>>Melissa virus in that when a user opens an infected document, the virus
>will
>>attempt to e-mail a copy of this document to up to 50 other people, using
>>Microsoft Outlook. This is not an executable it is done by opening a word
>>document received through email. It only does the mass mailing once by
>>checking registry keys.
>>
>>Other samples of what is thought to be viruses such are
>>Happy99 Worm Program
>>Promail.Trojan
>>Hoaxes
>>
>>These are just as they state they are trojans, worms, and hoaxes similar to
>>viruses but different. To get accurate information regarding these subjects
>>you can research these at the Computer Incident Advisory web site hosted by
>>the US Dept. of Energy at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html there
>>are several other sites that are resourceful as Jesse stated below, and
>also
>>as Jesse stated below Email itself does not cause viruses only opening
>>attachments in Email can in fact cause the start of a viri. Please note
>that
>>email is not the only method that viri can be received as if you are a user
>>that utilizes other services through networks (includes dialup) such as
>FTP,
>>you can then receive viri as well.
>>
>>
>>Ed Powell
>>Network Security Engineer
>>backgas@ta*.rr*.co*
>>"Good pings come in small packets"
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jess Armantrout [mailto:armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*]
>>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 10:19 AM
>>To: Randylabel@ao*.co*; cavers@cavers.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
>>Subject: EMAIL VIRUS MY ASS
>>
>>
>>AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH
>>
>>The "virus" is the fact that this shit keeps getting sent around.
>>
>>Once again, boys and girls, and please repeat after me:
>>
>>emails do not cause viruses, executables files, often attached to emails,
>>cause viruses when executed.
>>
>>Forward THIS letter out to as many people as you can.
>>
>>for much more info, go to
>>
>>http://kumite.com/myths/
>>
>>and specifically
>>
>>http://www.stiller.com/guts.htm
>>
>>for info on this an other virus hoaxes and don't post this crap to a list
>>until you check there first.
>>
>>trout
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Randylabel@ao*.co* <Randylabel@ao*.co*>
>>To: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>; vbtech@ci*.co*
>><vbtech@ci*.co*>
>>Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:01 AM
>>Subject: Fwd:
>>
>>
>>>a friend set me this, so i'm just passing along the info
>>>
>>>     Randy
>>>
>>><< Subject: VIRUS
>>>
>>>
>>> WARNING!
>>>
>>> IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL TITLED "IT TAKES GUTS TO SAY JESUS".
>>>
>>> DO NOT OPEN IT.
>>>
>>> IT WILL ERASE EVERYTHING ON YOUR HARD DRIVE.
>>>
>>> THIS INFORMATION WAS ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY MORNING FROM IBM; AOL STATES
>THAT
>>> THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VIRUS, MUCH WORSE THAN "MELISSA" AND THAT THERE
>>IS
>>> NO REMEDY FOR IT AT THIS TIME. SOME VERY SICK INDIVIDUAL HAS SUCCEEDED IN
>>> USING THE RE-FORMAT FUNCTION FROM NORTON UTILITIES CAUSING IT TO
>>COMPLETELY
>>> ERASE ALL DOCUMENT ON THE HARD DRIVE.  IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO WORK WITH
>>> NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR AND MICROSOFT INTERNET EXPLORER.  IT DESTROYS
>MACINTOSH
>>> AND IBM COMPATIBLE COMPUTERS.
>>>
>>> THIS IS A NEW, VERY MALICIOUS VIRUS AND NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT.
>>> PASS THIS WARNING ALONG TO EVERYONE ON YOUR ADDRESS BOOK AND PLEASE SHARE
>>> IT WITH ALL YOUR ONLINE FRIENDS ASAP SO THAT THIS THREAT MAY BE STOPPED.
>>> PLEASE PRACTICE CAUTIONARY MEASURES AND TELL ANYONE THAT MAY HAVE ACCESS
>>> TO YOUR COMPUTER.  FORWARD THIS WARNING TO EVERYONE THAT MIGHT ACCESS THE
>>> INTERNET.
>>>  >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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