sucker...


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Sender: Paul L  Date: 4/22/99 8:07 PM

>AND NOW BACK TO DIVING!!!!!!!
>
>THANK YOU
>
>Jim Cobb wrote:
>
>> The KEY WORD, my boys, here is MICROSOFT. Arent you people getting a
>> little sick and tired of being Bill Gates zombies and getting screwed by
>> every evil little prick who has figured out in all of 5 mins how to make
>> a virus using Bill Gates' fucked up microsoft macros?
>>
>> "OOOoooh OOOoooh I got a WINDOWS machine so I can be JUST like everybody
>> else, after all Everybody MUST be right, right?"
>>
>> suckers...
>>
>>  Jim
>>
>> Sender: backgas  Date: 4/22/99 5:20 PM
>>
>> >Kevin,
>> >
>> >I hope you do not DIVE like you read.......
>> >
>> >The email I sent previously was basically what you worded in your email.
>> >Email is only text in the body and subject unless an attachment is 
included.
>> >And as far a hole or security bug being in the email client program this
>> >still does not provide for a viri file to infect a client, it may provide
>> >for resources to be maximized through buffer overflows.  For every bug or
>> >hole you think you might be able to name in MS Outlook or Outlook Express I
>> >can name one in any other email client program as well. (Including my email
>> >client, which is the Sendmail Program on any Unix platform)
>> >
>> >Considering my background I would say that I have knowledge in Email, (I am
>> >currently the Internet Postmaster, and provide Network Security services at
>> >a company that provides email for 14000 users), I have also created three
>> >viruses for testing purposes for Symantec.
>> >
>> >I do agree with your Darwin statement, but I also believe in what I was 
told
>> >as a child, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ BEFORE YOU INSERT YOUR FOOT IN YOUR
>> >MOUTH.
>> >
>> >Ed Powell
>> >Network Security Engineer
>> >backgas@ta*.rr*.co*
>> >"Good pings come in small packets"
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Kevin Connell [mailto:kevin@nw*.co*]
>> >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 4:43 PM
>> >To: vbtech@ci*.co*
>> >Cc: backgas; cavers@cavers.com
>> >Subject: RE: EMAIL VIRUS MY ASS
>> >
>> >
>> >badgas - Thank you for this most valuable information.  Actually, you are
>> >both wrong.
>> >
>> >The problem here is that the email virus email is a hoax.  Reading an email
>> >will not infect a system, except in some extreme situations where there is
>> >a security hole (bug) in the email client.
>> >
>> >I believe viruses encoded in emails is simply another example of darwin's
>> >principles at work.  Anyone STUPID enough to open an attachment from
>> >someone they don't know deserves the virus.  Similarly, anyone LAME enough
>> >to be using microsoft outlook for an email client deserves whatever that
>> >brings.  (Usually just system crashes and lack of resources, but the
>> >occasional virus, too)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >At 03:34 PM 4/22/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>This is not entirely accurate as viruses can be caused by several 
different
>> >>file types, not only executables. Once a email is sent and then the
>> >>attachment is opened a viri can then infect the host, an example is If I
>> >>sent you a word document that contained macro viruses (not executable) it
>> >is
>> >>a virus that only will attack other documents, such as text files, 
document
>> >>files and spreadsheet files as well through the use of the macro program.
>> >>The macro virus also may utilize other programs on your computer such as
>> >the
>> >>Melissa virus in that when a user opens an infected document, the virus
>> >will
>> >>attempt to e-mail a copy of this document to up to 50 other people, using
>> >>Microsoft Outlook. This is not an executable it is done by opening a word
>> >>document received through email. It only does the mass mailing once by
>> >>checking registry keys.
>> >>
>> >>Other samples of what is thought to be viruses such are
>> >>Happy99 Worm Program
>> >>Promail.Trojan
>> >>Hoaxes
>> >>
>> >>These are just as they state they are trojans, worms, and hoaxes similar 
to
>> >>viruses but different. To get accurate information regarding these 
subjects
>> >>you can research these at the Computer Incident Advisory web site hosted 
by
>> >>the US Dept. of Energy at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html there
>> >>are several other sites that are resourceful as Jesse stated below, and
>> >also
>> >>as Jesse stated below Email itself does not cause viruses only opening
>> >>attachments in Email can in fact cause the start of a viri. Please note
>> >that
>> >>email is not the only method that viri can be received as if you are a 
user
>> >>that utilizes other services through networks (includes dialup) such as
>> >FTP,
>> >>you can then receive viri as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Ed Powell
>> >>Network Security Engineer
>> >>backgas@ta*.rr*.co*
>> >>"Good pings come in small packets"
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Jess Armantrout [mailto:armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*]
>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 10:19 AM
>> >>To: Randylabel@ao*.co*; cavers@cavers.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
>> >>Subject: EMAIL VIRUS MY ASS
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH
>> >>
>> >>The "virus" is the fact that this shit keeps getting sent around.
>> >>
>> >>Once again, boys and girls, and please repeat after me:
>> >>
>> >>emails do not cause viruses, executables files, often attached to emails,
>> >>cause viruses when executed.
>> >>
>> >>Forward THIS letter out to as many people as you can.
>> >>
>> >>for much more info, go to
>> >>
>> >>http://kumite.com/myths/
>> >>
>> >>and specifically
>> >>
>> >>http://www.stiller.com/guts.htm
>> >>
>> >>for info on this an other virus hoaxes and don't post this crap to a list
>> >>until you check there first.
>> >>
>> >>trout
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Randylabel@ao*.co* <Randylabel@ao*.co*>
>> >>To: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>; vbtech@ci*.co*
>> >><vbtech@ci*.co*>
>> >>Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:01 AM
>> >>Subject: Fwd:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>a friend set me this, so i'm just passing along the info
>> >>>
>> >>>     Randy
>> >>>
>> >>><< Subject: VIRUS
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> WARNING!
>> >>>
>> >>> IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL TITLED "IT TAKES GUTS TO SAY JESUS".
>> >>>
>> >>> DO NOT OPEN IT.
>> >>>
>> >>> IT WILL ERASE EVERYTHING ON YOUR HARD DRIVE.
>> >>>
>> >>> THIS INFORMATION WAS ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY MORNING FROM IBM; AOL STATES
>> >THAT
>> >>> THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VIRUS, MUCH WORSE THAN "MELISSA" AND THAT THERE
>> >>IS
>> >>> NO REMEDY FOR IT AT THIS TIME. SOME VERY SICK INDIVIDUAL HAS SUCCEEDED 
IN
>> >>> USING THE RE-FORMAT FUNCTION FROM NORTON UTILITIES CAUSING IT TO
>> >>COMPLETELY
>> >>> ERASE ALL DOCUMENT ON THE HARD DRIVE.  IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO WORK WITH
>> >>> NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR AND MICROSOFT INTERNET EXPLORER.  IT DESTROYS
>> >MACINTOSH
>> >>> AND IBM COMPATIBLE COMPUTERS.
>> >>>
>> >>> THIS IS A NEW, VERY MALICIOUS VIRUS AND NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT.
>> >>> PASS THIS WARNING ALONG TO EVERYONE ON YOUR ADDRESS BOOK AND PLEASE 
SHARE
>> >>> IT WITH ALL YOUR ONLINE FRIENDS ASAP SO THAT THIS THREAT MAY BE STOPPED.
>> >>> PLEASE PRACTICE CAUTIONARY MEASURES AND TELL ANYONE THAT MAY HAVE ACCESS
>> >>> TO YOUR COMPUTER.  FORWARD THIS WARNING TO EVERYONE THAT MIGHT ACCESS 
THE
>> >>> INTERNET.
>> >>>  >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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