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I heard George has gone really soft and went out at Christmas and bought some furniture to sit on at home as opposed to oil drums, scooters and tanks! underhillp@ju*.co* wrote: > Alfred: > > You think George is verbose and ill tempered now? ...You should have > read him a year or two ago. He is definitely "a kinder, gentler George" > these days. > > Regards, > Philip > > On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:29:11 -0800 "Alfred J. Alapisco" > <AquaLad@ix*.ne*.co*> writes: > >George, > >From what I have heard of the WKPP it is an extraordinary > >organization, > >however, you have made a few detractors (for lack of a better word). > >But, what > >I have noticed is that you at times are verbose and ill tempered. Even > >though, > >your accomplishments should easily speak for themselves, you seem to > >get > >enjoyment in arguing the point with people who obviously know nothing > >about > >what you do. Every time I have ever seen anyone ask for information it > >seems > >to have been given willfully and freely, even though at times in a > >rather > >condescending manner. > > > >I am very interested in getting to know more about the WKPP and, if > >luck have > >it, see first hand how you accomplish the feats you are so well known > >to do. I > >do question the premise of DIR. I have always been taught that what is > >right > >for me is not always right for you. I, of course, do not or have not > >studied > >DIR in any way shape or form, so please, do not think that I am > >arguing the > >point, just asking. > > > >In talking to others, well versed in technical diving, I have found > >that you > >are often put into the same category as Brett Gillam, and Bill Stone. > >Both of > >which you don't seem to respect or like. I think this is more to do > >with your > >soap box style of preaching of DIR. But from the few conversations I > >have had > >with you, and seeing the wealth of knowledge you and the rest of the > >WKPP > >have, especially in the cave diving, I find this generalization to be > >hard to > >believe. > > > >Any answers you are willing to give on any of my statements will be > >gratefully > >accepted and welcomed. > > > >Alfred > > > >kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > > >> Michael, you obviously have been misled. Your line of reasoning > >follows > >> the Brett Giliam/Bill Stone rationale, a well-documented non > >sequitur. > >> If you have a better way of doing things let's hear the logic? If > >you > >> think it is a good idea to sit back while well-known and celebrated > >> divers like Rob Palmer and Rob Parker try to set deep air records or > >get > >> killed deep air diving in caves and make up lies and excuses for > >them, > >> then join the Gilliam/Stone team - I stand up for what is right > >while > >> myself trying to set a good example in diving , depite extreme > >efforts > >> by your sources of misinformation to stifle and criticize that. > >> > >> Steffie Pamer did not hear of Rob's death from me - she heard it > >from > >> the same sources we all did. And by the way, you are just spreading > >> Gilliam's lies - that makes you just like him. See the article by > >the > >> guy who was Rob's dive buddy - Rob was doing exactly what I said he > >was > >> doing . That makes him one dumb SOB, and that makes all of his > >yapping > >> little stroke buddies, Like Marttyn Farr and the rest of the big > >shot > >> TDI flagellants a pack of fools without the balls to do what is > >right or > >> accept the consequences of their actions. By the way, our hamering > >of > >> these guys has obviously worked - they changed all of their > >standards. > >> > >> The WKPP always needs money, but your boy Bill Stone did not wnat to > >buy > >> his ten scooters from me, he wanted one to copy. It ended up costing > >him > >> a lot more than what I offered him, as well as ruin his project. > >Again, > >> his fualt, not mine. > >> > >> I don't dive electronic rebreathers - I dive mechanical. I have made > >the > >> reasons clear. It seems that the track record of electonic > >rebreathers > >> speaks for itself, and at Wakulla they were not even able to do what > >I > >> did on open circuit, despite the fact that all they had to do is > >follow > >> the lines in excellent diving conditions. > >> > >> You are spreading more lies about the "cut lines" - maybe you can > >> document that for us? The fact is that I am under no obligation to > >hold > >> Bill Stone's hand - he said he could do it better than I did it - I > >said > >> he could not. I was right. > >> > >> When people like you get information from the WKPP, like deco > >> information, all you want to do is argue with it. We give it to you, > >you > >> argue, and then you say you were not given it. I think you will > >find > >> that anyhone who wants information from me gets it, and gets it in > >> person. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and you are > >> certainly entitled to not like me or our organization, but lying > >about > >> it, making up crap, and using a known quantity like Gilliam or Stone > >as > >> your "authoritative source" is not acceptable. > >> > >> I do not attend anything that has anything to do with the NSS/CDS , > >as > >> they are in fact the "red necks" you describe, but when you go there > >you > >> will have plenty of sympathizers in the cave "community" , but if > >you > >> need to be bitch slapped, I am sure we can arrange it, but you will > >have > >> to get in line behind several far more deserving big mouths. We just > >do > >> not have time for you or your "community". Mikie, the fact is that > >our > >> group is a bigger commnunity, and one that is out there doing it > >while > >> you and yours are just speculating about it and doing so in a vacuum > >of > >> misinformation and self-deluded wallowing stupidity - wake up and > >smell > >> the facts, which are that we exist and are open to everyone - we > >are > >> where the action is. > >> > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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