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Alfred:
You think George is verbose and ill tempered now? ...You should have
read him a year or two ago. He is definitely "a kinder, gentler George"
these days.
Regards,
Philip
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:29:11 -0800 "Alfred J. Alapisco"
<AquaLad@ix*.ne*.co*> writes:
>George,
>From what I have heard of the WKPP it is an extraordinary
>organization,
>however, you have made a few detractors (for lack of a better word).
>But, what
>I have noticed is that you at times are verbose and ill tempered. Even
>though,
>your accomplishments should easily speak for themselves, you seem to
>get
>enjoyment in arguing the point with people who obviously know nothing
>about
>what you do. Every time I have ever seen anyone ask for information it
>seems
>to have been given willfully and freely, even though at times in a
>rather
>condescending manner.
>
>I am very interested in getting to know more about the WKPP and, if
>luck have
>it, see first hand how you accomplish the feats you are so well known
>to do. I
>do question the premise of DIR. I have always been taught that what is
>right
>for me is not always right for you. I, of course, do not or have not
>studied
>DIR in any way shape or form, so please, do not think that I am
>arguing the
>point, just asking.
>
>In talking to others, well versed in technical diving, I have found
>that you
>are often put into the same category as Brett Gillam, and Bill Stone.
>Both of
>which you don't seem to respect or like. I think this is more to do
>with your
>soap box style of preaching of DIR. But from the few conversations I
>have had
>with you, and seeing the wealth of knowledge you and the rest of the
>WKPP
>have, especially in the cave diving, I find this generalization to be
>hard to
>believe.
>
>Any answers you are willing to give on any of my statements will be
>gratefully
>accepted and welcomed.
>
>Alfred
>
>kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>
>> Michael, you obviously have been misled. Your line of reasoning
>follows
>> the Brett Giliam/Bill Stone rationale, a well-documented non
>sequitur.
>> If you have a better way of doing things let's hear the logic? If
>you
>> think it is a good idea to sit back while well-known and celebrated
>> divers like Rob Palmer and Rob Parker try to set deep air records or
>get
>> killed deep air diving in caves and make up lies and excuses for
>them,
>> then join the Gilliam/Stone team - I stand up for what is right
>while
>> myself trying to set a good example in diving , depite extreme
>efforts
>> by your sources of misinformation to stifle and criticize that.
>>
>> Steffie Pamer did not hear of Rob's death from me - she heard it
>from
>> the same sources we all did. And by the way, you are just spreading
>> Gilliam's lies - that makes you just like him. See the article by
>the
>> guy who was Rob's dive buddy - Rob was doing exactly what I said he
>was
>> doing . That makes him one dumb SOB, and that makes all of his
>yapping
>> little stroke buddies, Like Marttyn Farr and the rest of the big
>shot
>> TDI flagellants a pack of fools without the balls to do what is
>right or
>> accept the consequences of their actions. By the way, our hamering
>of
>> these guys has obviously worked - they changed all of their
>standards.
>>
>> The WKPP always needs money, but your boy Bill Stone did not wnat to
>buy
>> his ten scooters from me, he wanted one to copy. It ended up costing
>him
>> a lot more than what I offered him, as well as ruin his project.
>Again,
>> his fualt, not mine.
>>
>> I don't dive electronic rebreathers - I dive mechanical. I have made
>the
>> reasons clear. It seems that the track record of electonic
>rebreathers
>> speaks for itself, and at Wakulla they were not even able to do what
>I
>> did on open circuit, despite the fact that all they had to do is
>follow
>> the lines in excellent diving conditions.
>>
>> You are spreading more lies about the "cut lines" - maybe you can
>> document that for us? The fact is that I am under no obligation to
>hold
>> Bill Stone's hand - he said he could do it better than I did it - I
>said
>> he could not. I was right.
>>
>> When people like you get information from the WKPP, like deco
>> information, all you want to do is argue with it. We give it to you,
>you
>> argue, and then you say you were not given it. I think you will
>find
>> that anyhone who wants information from me gets it, and gets it in
>> person. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and you are
>> certainly entitled to not like me or our organization, but lying
>about
>> it, making up crap, and using a known quantity like Gilliam or Stone
>as
>> your "authoritative source" is not acceptable.
>>
>> I do not attend anything that has anything to do with the NSS/CDS ,
>as
>> they are in fact the "red necks" you describe, but when you go there
>you
>> will have plenty of sympathizers in the cave "community" , but if
>you
>> need to be bitch slapped, I am sure we can arrange it, but you will
>have
>> to get in line behind several far more deserving big mouths. We just
>do
>> not have time for you or your "community". Mikie, the fact is that
>our
>> group is a bigger commnunity, and one that is out there doing it
>while
>> you and yours are just speculating about it and doing so in a vacuum
>of
>> misinformation and self-deluded wallowing stupidity - wake up and
>smell
>> the facts, which are that we exist and are open to everyone - we
>are
>> where the action is.
>>
>
>
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