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Michael, I find it hard to believe that you have read all of the posts since '95 and come up with comments like these. When I first found this list in late '96, I must admit that it took a bit of reading of both the current ongoing posts as well as the previous posts to decipher who the players were, who was faking who and so on. I may have had an advantage in that I was a very active diver for 20 years (including 8 years teaching the sport) had a break of 15 years and returned to find a whole new sport! I didn't latch onto the first suggestion with regard to gear configuration and technique, just because some "stud-muffin instructor with 83 specialties" said this was the way to do it! I read what was posted, compared it to my data base of knowledge from 20 years of diving and came to some conclusions. The primary one was the WKPP crowd had their "stuff together in one bag with no leaks". True enough they might benefit from a session or two with Emily Post or Miss Manners, and they might be a bit on the touchy side at times, but when it comes to diving they know of what they speak! When I taught diving (73-80) I breathed a long hose which was donated to the OOA diver because the OOA diver knew that the long hose worked because he could see you breathing it and YOU weren't stressed and could better handle any problems with the secondary regulator which I kept (surprise!) right under my neck on a rubber strap! Granted the long hose wasn't 6-7 feet it was only 4' (the longest I could find) but it gave some space between myself and my buddy in an OOA situation. I also agreed with them on wings vs BC since I was diving wings (ScubaPro and At-Pac) from '75 on. Agreed with them on the deep air issue, only been narced once (1977, Texas Tower, 145 (fsw), 70 miles east of NJ) didn't like it, don't want to do it again! Well, I'll be, after thinking it over I decided the score was WKPP 10, opponents -5. Got DIR I and DIR II when it was released (do you have either?). I had some questions about WKPP deep stops & deco procedures so instead of "whining and crying and calling the other children names" I did something really unique, I sent George a PRIVATE e-mail and asked my question. Guess what. He responded, answered my questions and suggested that I call him to discuss it further!!!!!!!!!!!! I did, he spent 20 + minutes on the phone with me and (sorry George but I am sworn to tell the truth) didn't use one 4 letter word. I have seen too many people do too many stupid things diving to dive with anyone who doesn't think and dive the way I do! Just because you have a c-card does not entitle you to dive with me or obligate me to dive with you (worrying the whole time what you are going to do next). If you want to dive with anybody you are paired up with that's your choice, but you shouldn't criticize those who show much better judgement than you do!!! Actually, since the only point you made that could have any merit at all (which it does not) pertains to the sharing of information (deco) I would guess that you are just trying to pick a fight. Dave On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:31:44 +0100 Michael Fisch <michael.fisch-elektronik@ba*.de*> writes: >The question was raised: What has the WKPP done for cave diving, and >technical diving? > >Here are some answers: > >1. If you do not dive my way you cannot dive with me. >2. Some WKPP members have done a good job showing others how to rig >gear, commendable. >3. I have the best scooter, and you cannot see or buy one like it >without joining my club. This has now changed since the WKPP now >needs >money. >4. Rebreathers are sure death and no WKPP member will ever use one, >untill George got talked into trying one out. Suddenly they were the >best thing since sliced bread, but only the kind George likes. >5. Any time someone dies on an extended risk dive suddenly he/she >is/was an asshole, idiot and fool according to some WKPP members on >the >list. Whose wife was it who learned that her husband was dead after >reading Georges postings about the dead idiot on the list? >6. What a nice bunch of people who either will not tell you anything >about a cave, or even worse will give only misleading information >about >its passageways. >7. What would you do if I cut the line in a cave before you dived in >it? >And then lied about doing it. No wonder USDCT is pissed off at >George. >8. The WKPP has an excellent Decompression algorithim the can cut >hours >of decompression time and reduce the risks of getting an O2 hit. I >really like the amount of information available about it to non-WKPP >members -NONE. > > >What a nice bunch of People! With an attitude like that they should >be >working for the IRS or someone else who can appreciate their >endearing >human nature. > >Michael Fisch > >Scott Landon wrote: >>FUCK YOU!!! > >>when you are qualified to do anything this team does, from the >newest >>FNG to the lead exploration divers, come back and play. until then, >go >>back to your mother's teat and apron strings. it is miserable scum >like >>you that drags down diving. should we start a tabulation of all of >the >>things you have done for cave and/or technical diving versus all of >the >>things the wkpp has done? i will. here it is. >> >>wkpp=numeris >>fisch=ZERO. > > >>>From: Michael Fisch <michael.fisch-elektronik@ba*.de*> >>>To: cavers@cavers.com >>>Subject: WKPP Members = Roadkill >>>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:45:29 +0100 >>> >>>After having read postings on this list for the last few years, I >have >>>formed my opinions about WKPP members and have ony one question >left: >>> >>> Is being in the same catagory as ROADKILL a requirement to >>> become a member of the WKPP? >>> or >>> Do members of the WKPP, after having experienced a profound >>> conversion upon encountering their first PC, automatically >>> become ROADKILL? >>> or >>> Are people that are the end result of generations of >inbreeding >>> ( for the uninitiated that means jumping over a broomstick >with >>> first or second cousins or other relatives) in the hot >Florida >>> sticks, and have access to a computer the only subhumanoids >>> selected for membership in the WKPP? >>> >>>If any of you can understand the question and would like to attempt >an >>>explanation in words over 4 letters long I4d be interested. >>> >>>If there are actually any nice people that are members of the WKPP >I4d >>>like to hear of it, but from the tone of the postings since 1995 I >>>don4t remember any. >>> >>>If you want to prove how stupid and obnoxious you really are, >>>I4ll be there for the NSS/CDS Memorial Day get-together. >>> >>>Michael Fisch >>> >>>Class Action Lawsuits are impossible - the membership of the WKPP >>>doesn4t >>>own a suit, they put all their money in white vans since white >sheets >>>went >>>out of style in the 704s. >>> >>>One nice thing about WKPP members - they have clean front yards >since >>>they >>>had to sell their collections of rusting pickup trucks for a >>downpayment >>>on the white vans. >>> >>>WKPP members are of one mind concerning gear selection. Is this >because >>>they >>>collectively only have one mind? >>> >>>The Florida Department of Education is considering a special >program >>for WKPP >>>members and other disadvantaged white males, to help them learn to >>>speak >>>and >>>eventually write in complete sentences, at least to the 6th Grade >>level. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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