Why not have them leave the pictures with a credit to Barry Miller
manufacturer of quality lights blah blah blah,maybe with a link  Now how
many hits, how much free advertising, how many sales could be made, how much
money could this generate. Of course than you'd also be in AUL's face in a
businessman's way. Of course you would want to leave out the four letter
words, maybe have one of the more literate guys write the posting. See that
is how a businessman might react, Some no cost advertising.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: Michel Therrien <m.therrien@ne*.qc*.ca*>; Pagefix@ao*.co*
<Pagefix@ao*.co*>
Cc: cavers <cavers@cavers.com>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aq*.co*>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pictures


>Oh for Christs Sake, lets get real here. The reason that the ratster has
>his panties in a wad is the fact that this web site promotes AUL products
>and not his gear. All this huff-and-puffery is just a smokescreen and a
>bunch of baby-like boo-hooing that, frankly, does not reflect well on
>Miller or his products.
>
>You are in the real world now, Miller, you need to start acting like a
>business professional and not a redneck hillbilly pickemuptruck cowboy.
>You need to take your marketing medicine like a man and quit belaboring
>the list with your whining.
>
>   Jim
>
>Sender: Michel Therrien  Date: 3/24/99 9:29 AM
>
>>Dear Pagefix, (who is Pagefix?)
>>
>>I am not Barry's friend, nor a WKPP diver or affiliate.  I will admit that
>>I don't always like the attitude of some WKPP leaders.
>>
>>This said, the reason why I wrote the message is not to defend Barry... it
>>is a question of principle.  I have no tolerance for pirating, steeling
and
>>unethical behavior such as taking someones material without his
permission.
>> I propably have this attitude because I worked in the software industry
(I
>>don't know).
>>
>>Is there a reason why you stay anonymous?  This is another thing I have
>>problem with... I guess.
>>
>>Please note that the issue for me is not legal... it is ethical. While the
>>law may allow to copy someone's material for educative purposes, I don't
>>think this is honest.
>>
>>Is it so hard to ask permission to use material PRIOR to using it? I was
>>flattered that the NSS-CDS recently asked me to use some of my pictures.
>>On the other hand, I would have been really pissed off if I saw my
pictures
>>without any prior discussion about their use.
>>
>>Michel Therrien
>>Montreal, Canada
>>
>>PS: I know it is unethical to copy private messages in public forums, but
I
>>started public and I think your answer may help the rest of the crowd to
>>understand your position.
>>
>>
>>At 09:04 AM 3/24/99 EST, you wrote:
>>>Michel the video was given to one of our sponsors and we took some clips
of
>>>it.  The law states that you can us this type of material as long as you
are
>>>not selling it to make a profit.  We e-mailed Barry with an apology for
the
>>>mistake and fixed the problem.  He didn't post that part on you cavers
list
>>>just the other parts that he wanted you to see.  The fact of the matter
is we
>>>would have agreed with what he asked but after the flaming he gave us we
took
>>>a defensive posture.  What is wrong with him has he no respect for
>>anything or
>>>one?  I am sorry if you want to punish AUL for Barry Millers Flaming and
Lies
>>>to us.  But if you feel like the only way to help Barry is kicking
another
>>>company so be it.
>>>Most people don't use the language that Barry has used to a dog but if he
>>>wants to talk like that it a free country and God bless him.
>>>Please except our apologies for any misunderstanding and thanks for you
>>input.
>>>pagefix@ao*
>>>
>>>
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