I was a little curious as to why all the postings on this issue myself. If
what Barry says is true (and I have no doubt it is) why all the airing of
"dirty laundry". It's kind like eavesdropping on a coffee clash at an old
folks home. If you have a problem with you pictures on the site and have not
been able to get the response your looking for get a lawyer. Find out who
"owns" the site and contact them directly. This kind of on list whining
really makes all concerned look so juvenile it's a crime all by it's self.
Perhaps it is a cave diving issue at some level, but now it's running into
techdiver as well, whats next rec.. scuba?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: Michel Therrien <m.therrien@ne*.qc*.ca*>; Pagefix@ao*.co*
<Pagefix@ao*.co*>
Cc: cavers <cavers@cavers.com>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aq*.co*>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pictures


>Oh for Christs Sake, lets get real here. The reason that the ratster has
>his panties in a wad is the fact that this web site promotes AUL products
>and not his gear. All this huff-and-puffery is just a smokescreen and a
>bunch of baby-like boo-hooing that, frankly, does not reflect well on
>Miller or his products.
>
>You are in the real world now, Miller, you need to start acting like a
>business professional and not a redneck hillbilly pickemuptruck cowboy.
>You need to take your marketing medicine like a man and quit belaboring
>the list with your whining.
>
>   Jim
>
>Sender: Michel Therrien  Date: 3/24/99 9:29 AM
>
>>Dear Pagefix, (who is Pagefix?)
>>
>>I am not Barry's friend, nor a WKPP diver or affiliate.  I will admit that
>>I don't always like the attitude of some WKPP leaders.
>>
>>This said, the reason why I wrote the message is not to defend Barry... it
>>is a question of principle.  I have no tolerance for pirating, steeling
and
>>unethical behavior such as taking someones material without his
permission.
>> I propably have this attitude because I worked in the software industry
(I
>>don't know).
>>
>>Is there a reason why you stay anonymous?  This is another thing I have
>>problem with... I guess.
>>
>>Please note that the issue for me is not legal... it is ethical. While the
>>law may allow to copy someone's material for educative purposes, I don't
>>think this is honest.
>>
>>Is it so hard to ask permission to use material PRIOR to using it? I was
>>flattered that the NSS-CDS recently asked me to use some of my pictures.
>>On the other hand, I would have been really pissed off if I saw my
pictures
>>without any prior discussion about their use.
>>
>>Michel Therrien
>>Montreal, Canada
>>
>>PS: I know it is unethical to copy private messages in public forums, but
I
>>started public and I think your answer may help the rest of the crowd to
>>understand your position.
>>
>>
>>At 09:04 AM 3/24/99 EST, you wrote:
>>>Michel the video was given to one of our sponsors and we took some clips
of
>>>it.  The law states that you can us this type of material as long as you
are
>>>not selling it to make a profit.  We e-mailed Barry with an apology for
the
>>>mistake and fixed the problem.  He didn't post that part on you cavers
list
>>>just the other parts that he wanted you to see.  The fact of the matter
is we
>>>would have agreed with what he asked but after the flaming he gave us we
took
>>>a defensive posture.  What is wrong with him has he no respect for
>>anything or
>>>one?  I am sorry if you want to punish AUL for Barry Millers Flaming and
Lies
>>>to us.  But if you feel like the only way to help Barry is kicking
another
>>>company so be it.
>>>Most people don't use the language that Barry has used to a dog but if he
>>>wants to talk like that it a free country and God bless him.
>>>Please except our apologies for any misunderstanding and thanks for you
>>input.
>>>pagefix@ao*
>>>
>>>
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