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All the same, all covered in real training, which is hard to come by these days with so many strokes "teaching". I continue to find the root of the problem in the attitude and ineptitude of the instructional community. At least there are alternatives developing. I have proofread manuals for three other agencies who are on the right track, not counting GUE. Soon the idiocy will be greatly reduced. John Dunk wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:39:59 -0500, you wrote: > > The word I got was that this was a cave fatality in name only.. i.e., > that it happened in a cave.. the diver embolised, probably due to high > flow & poor buoyancy control.Gear didn't matter, overhead environment > training didn't matter...An uncontrolled ascent= a potentially dead > diver, no matter where it happens. 95 feet in Little River puts you at > least at the bottom of the chimney approaching Table Rock..the > vertical flow is very strong from there to the 30' level.Add in the > stress level of a diver who knows he's somewhere he shouldn't be, > turn up the heat, and you've baked a perfect accident profile. > > >> > >> The OW instructor was cave certified. He'd taken his friend of 13 years, > >> who he certified for OW 5 years ago, along with two others into the cavern > >> zone for a "fun dive". He claims that they were supposed to wait for him > >> there, but instead they followed him into the cave. > >> > >> At 05:55 AM 1/4/99 -0500, you wrote: > >> >I have stopped following the accidents - there are too many. Dive > >> >instruction has hit an all time low - that is all I have to say. > >> > > >> >Adam Weiner wrote: > >> >> > >> >> George, > >> >> > >> >> Do you have any info regarding the trust me dive that happened up at > >> >> little river the other day. Such as if this was indeed a dumbass > >> >> instructor taking some buddies on a trust me cave dive or if it was a > >> >> class ect. From what I have seen about this stupid death one diver an > >> >> instructor had doubles and the other three had single 80's. The divers > >> >> entered the cave and past two cavers on the way in and a few minutes > >> >> later the came out of the cave with one diver unconscious with the reg > >> >> not in mouth and was DOA at the surface. The computer on the deceased > >> >> said that they had been to 95 feet I think. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for whatever info you have in advance, > >> >> Adam Weiner > > In general,"trust me" dives suck, whether they're cave dives or OW > dives.You know what you're capable of, or you don't.. you know what > the dive requires, or you don't. A "trust me" dive means you believe > someone else knows these things, knows YOU as well as you do.. there > are maybe two other people I trust this much underwater, both of whom > I've dove with for more than 20 years. > Otherwise, NOTHING replaces a gradual accumulation of skills & > experience,repetition & advancement. > There are no one-week wonders, just accidents waiting to happen. > Take Care > > John Dunk o > Lake City,Fl o > screwloo@is*.ne* ____o_____
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