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Ronnie, you and I both know that no amount of information is going to help if the divers are not screened. This was the very first argument I got into with Stone . Here is the dilema: nobody who knows how to do this will involve themselves with an operation like this. The "divers" can not be screened or they mostly fall out ( or pull their money out). That leaves nothing, which is very close to what they have now. WKPP screens it guys heavily, and then we teach them to decompress. None of my guys will give up that information that they have spent so much time perfecting, and the Navy is certainly not going to vounteer any of this information to them, and they will not pay for commercial oil diving information. All of my guys are great divers in top shape. We have no chain smokers, fat slobs, drunks, pot smokers, drug users, endomorphs, prozac zombies or other mutants diving gas or doing anything else that would get them injured. They all have spent a long time learning each little aspect of deco from us. The smart thing for them ( the so-called "deep caving team") to do is not to attempt extreme dives. This only heightens the chances of an accident, and these guys are trying to market a rebreather. You can only claim so many "diver errors", "dead batteries" or "diabetes" cases before everyone calls BS on it. You saw what happened when they merely went to where we do our first deco stop - they hospitalized one of the strokes. In another "big dive" they managed to run out a new guideline out to L Tunnel, a gaping borehole they missed on their first air diving project, a dive which takes us about 12 minutes roundtrip ( Steve Berman , Todd Kincaid, and Rick Sankey put that tunnel in and connected it to F Tunnel , surveyed, it, went for a ride, and came back all in an 18 minute bottom time - it took these blithering idiots an hour to do that , or so they claim, but that may just be to pretend that the rebreather is working, this time. A sesational death with a cis lunar involved will frighten potential buyers since the excuses they come up with every time this thing screws up are so stupid and so obviously insane that their credibiltiy gets shot to hell. Look at the cluster at Madison and the conflicting song and dance out of the puppet ( Pyle ). Look at some of Pyle's personal clusters and see where even Stone himself came out and tried to blame it on Pyle, the one guy who has the most time playing with this dangerous toy. Get the real story from any ccr diver, cis or otherwise, and find out that they mostly use what is affectionately termed "Halcyon Mode", where they use a diluent mixed for their bottom depth , add it in, breath it a few times, dump it, and add more back it - what we do ( we call it Cis Lunar Mode) if one of our bags fails to the other effectively giving us a cis lunar without the busllhit. Quite frankly, I am very suspiciouis that this machjine has such an enormous variation in the gas actually inspried by the diver that they have no idea what the deco should be, and I am strongly suspicious that the inert gas loading of this thing is so high that there may be no way to decompress successfully from it. Look at Pyle, he got paralyzed on a 100 foot dive where he did twice the deco I would have done. I did a 100 foot dive the other day for 50 minutes where I forgot that I was on 19/35 trimix - I thought I had my usual 35% oxygen ( which would be like using the cis at 1.4 minus the bullshit). I got out after a two minute safety stop rather than the correct deco, and then only rembered the gas when I took the tank off and saw it said 190 on it. Nothing happened. Pyle got parlayzed on that same dive with a CIS, only he did 40 minutes deco. My thinking is that the thing is useless , other than as a very risky gas extension device, and trying to prove otherwise will backfire. They are best to just keep yapping and technogeeking and shoot for their natural market of desparate wannabees who need to buy one of these things to impress the natives. I do not think you will see them tryhing much more that what they have done. Sone they will all have been bent or otherwise injured or have the pants scared of thme by the cave , the rebreather, the fake scooters, the bullshit lights that don't work and fell apart ( like the scooters did), or the reality of how hopelesly outgunned they are by us, and they will pack it up. As soon as one of these tough guys figures out that it is a three hour ride to even see any new cave in there, and that is ONE WAY, the big mouths will shrivel up, and the chance to get killed to prove that they are as good as we are will not look so good to them, especaily when the fact is that this place for us is a practice session for the real cave, Downstream Turner, which we hope to connect to Wakulla at some point . Ronnie, the other problem is that they think I do not know what I am doing, and have said so. Even telling them what they need to do would not work - they would not believe it. rbell wrote: > > so I wonder. I don't know what you do about the extreme deco. SOme ideas > but I haven't petted that pony. My question is, even in spite of the > differences you have with these people should you share? I know all the > rationale for not doing it. But I'm thinking about the poor slob in the > wheel chair. > No reply needed. > Safe Diving > r.b.
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