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I am sorry -you forgot to copy techdiver@aquanaut.com As did I-- Get your wand out of your mothers mouth and learn to type. The caps key is like, so third grade.... <techdiver@aquanaut.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "a" <bances@op*.ne*> To: "Mickey Smith" <mickeys7@be*.ne*> Cc: <QUEST@GU*.CO*> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Cheap parts? > YOU SHOULD STAY IN LURK MODE ASSHOLE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mickey Smith" <mickeys7@be*.ne*> > To: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > Cc: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>; "Duane Liptak Jr." > <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "'Quest@Gu*. Com'" > <quest@gu*.co*> > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: Cheap parts? > > > > Ya know, I started lurking on this list about three months ago and haven't > > posted a damn thing. I am in the learning mode and this list gives me > great > > advice/warnings/things to consider. > > > > But a quick browse of the Gavin site brought forth the following > > information. Now, myself, who I do not consider farm animal stupid, would > > take after reading this in the online owner's manual, to mean that there > are > > two different clutches available. > > > > Like I said--I am just starting in this "diving" world and am glad I found > > this list. On the other hand Capt, Shit for Brains, why don't you shut > the > > hell up, take a double dose of Midol and quit bitching because your pussy > > hurts. Some of us want to learn to Do It Right instead of hearing your > > whining goatfucked crying ass. > > > > > > > > See ya in the obits---sooner or later...You are bound to be a statistic. > > > > Mickey > > > > > > > > Clutches > > We have been testing clutches and have found that there is no set number > of > > washers that work for any given combination of Arnold Jackson clutch and > > motor. The shafts are different on different motors. The step in the > > clutches is different for different clutches. What has to be done is that > > you have to add enough washers to clear to top of the shaft, but just > > barely. The clutch needs to slip easily; it needs to slip as soon as it > > touches anything but water. There is no number of thick washer that will > > work. You can check the thickness of the washers with a micrometer. They > > need to be .024. The .032 washers are too stiff. Just one too many washers > > will not allow the clutch to slip. The .032 are for the Mako clutch, which > > slips far more easily and will wear out upon repeated slippage, whereas > the > > Arnold Jackson clutch is designed to slip any number of times. The > > replacement Mako clutch costs about 4 bucks. The replacement Arnold > Jackson > > clutch costs about $120. > > > > CHECK YOUR CLUTCH TO MAKE SURE IT WILL SLIP PROPERLY !!! > > You must first check this on the bench with the relay bypassed or it will > > fry the relay if the clutch does not slip. > > > > > > 1.. Open the lid > > 2.. Disconnect the positive lead from the motor to the relay, jumper > that > > leads to the battery. > > 3.. Put a jumper on the gold pin in the black socket on the motor > > compartment lid. > > 4.. Hold the prop and touch the black jumper to the battery. > > It should slip instantly. If it grabs, start removing washers until it > > does not grab. > > If you are a weenie, and if you have one of my rewinds, you are not > going > > to like it if it does not slip - consider yourself warned! > > If it does slip properly, or after you have put the washers so that it > > slips properly, you are now safe to put it back together and put it in the > > water to test again. > > 5.. Make sure it will hold with full pitch and with fully charged > > batteries. > > Grab it underwater and make it slip and be sure it will re-catch. > > > > Sometimes it will ride on top of the plate and you just bump the trigger a > > couple of times to get it to reseat. I keep mine so that they nearly sli p > > all the time, and anything that got into the prop, like cave line, would > > instantly slip the clutch. To give you and idea of how it should be set, > you > > should be able to stick any body part in there with no worries. The Mako > > needs to be kept more tight and not slipped intentionally. > > > > Do not add back in more than one washer at a time or you will lock it up > and > > fry it. The other thing that happens, and this happened to me, is that if > > you stall the motor just right, it will arc on the brushboard and then the > > whole motor needs to be taken apart. To avoid this disaster, do your first > > testing on the bench where just touching the lead to the battery > momentarily > > is all you do the first time. I was trying to see what would break and I > > found out. It was interesting when I took the motor apart - it was dated > > 1988. It took me 14 years to have to take it apart. > > > > If you do not have the right washers, you need to get them from Arnold > > Jackson, or otherwise all of you get together and designate somebody to > > order them and distribute them, or get them from whomever you got the > Arnold > > Jackson clutch from. While you are at it, throw away the Arnold Jackson > > screws and put in 8-32 1 1/4" pan head Phillips screws. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > > To: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>; "Duane Liptak Jr." > > <dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "'Quest@Gu*. Com'" > > <quest@gu*.co*> > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:53 PM > > Subject: RE: Cheap parts? > > > > > > > At 08:36 AM 8/10/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: > > > >JT, the "WKPP" clutch is a three part deal - an aluminum plate, a > delrin > > > >upper mating hub, and a delrin hub that goes over that to capture the > > > >adjustable pitch assembly. They are very finicky and must be set to > > maximum > > > >slip or they will not slip at all. > > > > > > George, you may think I'm being hard to get along with , but I only want > > > you to let the buyer have the option of which clutch he wants, is that > to > > > much to ask? You do not have this on your site when I last looked. Most > > > will want the same thing you use, something wrong with that? None of us > > > even knew there were other clutches and your site did not mention it. > > > If the plastic clutches would have slipped on a serious dive or at some > > > other time that would have caused unnecessary stress, lost dive, ect. > they > > > will not reset once they have slipped......we are 2 for 2 on that > > > happening, I would have been real pissed. Our dives are real important > to > > > us, it may be just another sell to you, but our dives take a lot of time > > > and money. > > > > > > I know Brad is talking to you about getting the delrin clutch, you told > > him > > > it was easy to install. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:39 PM > > > >To: Duane Liptak Jr.; techdiver@aquanaut.com; 'Quest@Gu*. Com' > > > >Subject: Re: Cheap parts? > > > > > > > > > > > >Duane > > > >I would have to take your word on the delrin clutch as being a pain in > > the > > > >ass we were not offered any others just the plastic ones and knew > nothing > > > >about the others. Both scooters only slipped once and would never reset > > > >itself, I feel that the motors are so strong that they make the screw > > > >loosen from the stops and starts. The screw is clockwise, once the > clutch > > > >slips the screw comes loose, we had one come completely off in the > water > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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