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To: Multiple recipients of list wreckdiver <wreckdiver@wreckdiver.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:29:45 -0500
From: Richard Westlake <rickwest@er*.co*>
Subject: Re: Divers Supply, IANTD, Tom Mount and tragic
     technicaldiving -Reply
Speaking as an obese diver who has dove shallow wrecks (<100ft, such as
the Washingtonian) and who wants to progress into wreck/tech diving ...
I"m concerned lest my size will brand me permanently "unfit".

How would the techdiver standard be written?  Height and weight tables?
Running/jogging time "points" scoring like the Army fitness tests?
Or will it be based on one's ability and stamina in the water?

Am glad I got a membership in an indoor pool next door to my office ...!
(And I hope swimming a mile three times a week will be enough to count!)

At 08:35 AM 2/27/98 EST, Hank (GarlooEnt@ao*.co*) wrote:
>dan
>...the judges remarks were quite interesting
>
>         he  quoted a statement from the Idaho law review in his decision
>
>            "a venturesome minority will always be eager to get off 
>              on there own, and no obsticles should be placed 
>              in there path; let them take risks, for godsake, let 
>              them get lost,sunburnt,stranded,drowned,eaten by
>              bears,buried alive under avalanches.
>                --that is the right and privilege of any free amewrican."
>
>the wreck was the monitor the decision allowed Gary Gentile to defeat the
>federal governments attempt to control the way & where we dive. i find it
>intersting that you seem to think it's okay to control what people do using
>what you and some others find as "appropriate'' rule of behavior.
>              
>just a few cents fro the sidelines
>hank
>In a message dated 98-02-25 12:32:01 EST, Dan Volker wrote:
>
><< Subj:	 Re: Divers Supply, IANTD, Tom Mount  and tragic technicaldiving
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Zimmerman <zimmmt@au*.al*.co*>
> To: techdiver <techdiver@aq*.co*>
....
> >> apparently tried to go back down to save Andre, who was NOT fit.).  You
> may
> >> feel its the right of an obese diver without aerobic fitness to dive
> deep....
> >Who are YOU to decide what risk level is too much.  The risk of divers
> >in general is EXPONENTIALLY GREATER than those who stay on land to
> >play golf.  Should someone come along and tell us we can't dive
> >at all?  Or should we be grown-ups and let those involved decide
> >what risk level they choose to assume?
> Mike,
> All I'm really doing is adding one more training aspect to the
> certification.  ... All
> I want to do is add a fitness standard to the skill set that must be
> completed. Anyone willing to "train" to become a tech diver, should be able
> to accomplish the minimum fitness standards, if they want to tech dive bad
> enough. The ONLY divers that will get excluded, are the horrible fat slobs
> with zero aerobics, no will power to fitness train for their goal, and the
> ones that smoke several packs of cigarettes or ounces of pot daily....

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