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Date: 15 Nov 95 17:19:22 EST
From: RatDiver <75363.767@co*.co*>
To: techdiver <techdiver@terra.net>
Subject: Re: Nitrox Stickers
Regarding Steve Lewis's points:

For the most part, I agree.

>the real point should be not whether a nitrox tank has air in or not

Correct, it should not be.  I feel until this segment of the industry matures
and stabilizes, picayune points like this will have to be addressed.  Until
standards become clear and accepted we may have to be more formal than we'd
like, or than we'll be later.


With regard to air in a nitrox tank, I did not mean to imply hydrocarbon free
air could not be introduced to a nitrox tank, ie for partial pressure blending
or mix adjusting.  I was referring to the final mix being under 22%.

The issue of "air" in a nitrox tank - ie fO2 less than say, 22%, has more to do
with that formality of staying on the literal side of the labeling issue.  "Air"
is a nitrox, but it is not EAN.  I think, overall it's a small issue, but leads
to a slippery slope if allowed to expand.  I don't believe clean air in a nitrox
tank is potentially dangerous.  But I believe on staying on the right side of
the line.   What about 20%?, 19, 15?, etc.....

Most agree that nitrox in an unmarked tank is far more dangerous, we all know
why and I dont need to repeat it.

I'm sorry if I mislead regarding recleaning.  I see the system, however flawed
or cludgy it may be as such:  Putting less than 22% fo2 in the cylinder - remove
the nitrox labeling, the contents are not EAN.  Want to go back into nitrox
service?  Fine, what's the procedure?  VIP and clean if necessary.  If all the
gas has been hydrocarbon free all along, then as I said, recleaning wouldnt be
necessary.


Maybe in the future, clean air in nitrox labeled tanks will be more acceptable.
For now as the industry grows and EAN remains a small minority and largely new
to the masses, I feel we must be clear and consistent in all aspects of handling
- that means non-breathing air in unmarked tanks, and air in "nonair" tanks.  I
see the shortterm labeling formality and inconvenience as having big, long term
positive credibility payoffs.

   
>be used in an <open> environment, since the other divers in the vicinity
>may not have the training/experience/sense of self-preservation to check
>for an MOD.

Exactly.




Rat

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